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I take it you didn't watch the documentary.
 
 
 
It really does change things though. For future parents knowing the signs of a pedophile grooming their family and their kids. The signs that fame can warp your rational thought. What exactly is a romantic relationship? etc. etc. It's moreso information about one of the most prolific child predators so that people can learn from it.
 
It might not change things specifically to getting Michael Jackson charged, but it will certainly change things for the future.
 
I'd be willing to bet more people come forward. You already seem people coming out about their own past abuse in many of the threads talking about the documentary. Pretty powerful stuff.
 
 
 
Also

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The backlash you get from potentially believing what was said in a dOcUmEnTaRy is pretty crazy in and of itself:
 
 
 
 
 
In a lighter note:
 
 

Making this thread for when all you guys finally watch it. I saw it last night.

Two parts, each two hours long.
 
 
 
Do you believe the accusers?
 
 
from reddit:
 
 
Acknowledging the truth about Michael Jackson's life means acknowledging some EXTREMELY uncomfortable truths about childhood sexuality, human relationships, and society.
Considering the implications of the following scenario (which I believe is what mostly likely happened) is so worldview-shattering and psychologically fraught for many, that it's understandable people fiercely reject doing so in a reflex of self-preservation:
 
Michael Jackson had a series of romantic and sexual relationships (potentially even monogamously) with very young boys his entire life, always starting when they were pre-pubescent. He usually had one "favorite" boy at a time with whom he would share his bed, have sex, and travel the world. Two prerequisites for these relationships to turn sexual were naive, starstruck, and/or willfully ignorant family in denial, and a mutual attraction between the boy and Michael. Many of his boys were already obsessed with him and dressed up and danced like him before they even met. Michael predatory-ily cultivated their innocent attraction into an unhealthy romantic attraction. In many instances, kids he viewed as potential romantic partners (and groomed for that purpose) didn't meet both criteria so he was never sexual with them, like Corey Feldman, perhaps Macaulay Culkin, and most likely many others.
 
His sexual relationships typically ended after months or years, often when the boys got older, leaving them with varying degrees of heartbreak and permanent psychological damage. The two accusers in the documentary were obviously both in love with and permanently damaged by MJ in ways they are still struggling to come to terms with.
 
His relationship with Omer Bhatti was the longest lasting, from when the Omer was 8 until his mid 20s when MJ died. For all practical purposes, Omar was MJ's lover, husband, and surrogate father/brother to his children during the last years of his life. Omar was in the front row at Michael's funeral as the only non-family member and continues to spend every Christmas with the Jackson family. I'm pretry sure he'll take their secret to his grave.
 
Many of these children probably believed they were in love with Michael, and he probably believed the same and used that belief to justify the sexual abuse he inflicted. It also explains why only some of his relationships turned sexual. However, accepting that means accepting the premise that not all child-abusing pedophiles have no self control and will abuse any child if given the opportunity (which is, of course, difficult for many people.) The love he shared with children was predatory, destructive, and fucked up in so many ways, but it was definitely something tangible that existed. Most distressingly, all of these boys' parents and most of society allowed it to happen. Many, many people were complicit in this abuse and profited from it in different ways.
 
Michael Jackson was probably the most famous entertainer to ever live, spreading love and joy to billions of people around the world for most of his life and still continuing a decade after his death. He also personally enriched the lives of hundreds (thousands?) of children with his wealth, friendship, love and companionship. He was also a pedophile that used his wealth, fame, and influence to systematically groom and rape children, destroying minds, lives, and families in the process, all while justifying it to himself as a kind of love.
He was all of those things. Acknowledging them as true, together, really fucking sucks, and may even be impossible. But the world is equally complex, chaotic and evil as it is simple, ordered and good.

He is a child predator. No doubt. But people dont care enough for this to be any bigger news than it is. And being a bad person doesn't make you a bad artist. And liking a bad persons art/music doesnt make you a bad person yourself. I will not stop listening to MJ and if I like hitlers paintings I dont see why I couldnt hang them on my walls. 
 
It is unfortunate that being a popstar gives you this kind of "immunity" to crimes and that people will go above and beyond to protect them and hide their secrets. I hope we will get to a point where people get the justice they deserve regardless of popularity but i dont think we will get there anytime soon.

I take it you didn't watch the documentary.
 
 
 
It really does change things though. For future parents knowing the signs of a pedophile grooming their family and their kids. The signs that fame can warp your rational thought. What exactly is a romantic relationship? etc. etc. It's moreso information about one of the most prolific child predators so that people can learn from it.
 
It might not change things specifically to getting Michael Jackson charged, but it will certainly change things for the future.
 
I'd be willing to bet more people come forward. You already seem people coming out about their own past abuse in many of the threads talking about the documentary. Pretty powerful stuff.
 
 
 
Also

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The backlash you get from potentially believing what was said in a dOcUmEnTaRy is pretty crazy in and of itself:
 
 
 
 
 
In a lighter note:
 
 

I've tried to find as many clips as I can on this, none of the videos I have come across look real in the slightest except for this one.
 
I'm not going on a whim and saying "Holy shit mermaids exist" but I think this is pretty interesting. Was wondering whether anybody else has come across any information or decent videos on this sort of thing.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iP0Ckx0sMbE
 
Get's interesting around 35 minutes and after. 

That man didnt touch no kids

I take it you didn't watch the documentary.
 
 
 
It really does change things though. For future parents knowing the signs of a pedophile grooming their family and their kids. The signs that fame can warp your rational thought. What exactly is a romantic relationship? etc. etc. It's moreso information about one of the most prolific child predators so that people can learn from it.
 
It might not change things specifically to getting Michael Jackson charged, but it will certainly change things for the future.
 
I'd be willing to bet more people come forward. You already seem people coming out about their own past abuse in many of the threads talking about the documentary. Pretty powerful stuff.
 
 
 
Also

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
The backlash you get from potentially believing what was said in a dOcUmEnTaRy is pretty crazy in and of itself:
 
 
 
 
 
In a lighter note:
 
 

Beerman dosen't stand a chance 

Only people who did something deserve Ex-Staff. 

Yea I should have ex-staff admin 

Rank apps are a pain in the ass.
 
Also to clarify a few things, I was absolutely demanding admin because due to the ranking formats, I was under the impression that I should have had it. I had ex-SO basic admin privileges (after I stepped down as SO) which aren't officially a thing so it seemed ludicrous to me that someone we have written down on "paper" is suddenly invalid because of how one person feels about it.
 
Furthermore, I did actively reach out to Lindsay but turns out they're not adviser anymore, so then I reached out to Orange* who then contacted Zach. I created the forum post as a more permanent paper trail to refer to.
 
 
EDIT: Cause it wouldn't be a Sith post if I didn't meme
 

The GMod and CSGO side of sG has always been different. Rules that pertain to CSGO don't always pertain to GMod. For instance, CSGO people get harped on for "You better wear your tags if you're an SO!". Then for GMod, I think the last time I wore my tags was like 4 months ago. We're the same community, but at the same time different in our game servers.
I agree with ya Sith, I believe either L3's should get some basic admin, OR maybe if you were an SO for say over a year or so, and you stepped down due to life issues or something that isn't bad, you should deserve an "Ex-SO" admin privilege rank so when you do hop on the server, you can help out with the chaos RDM.
 
Which by the way, do you not have enough hours or posts or something to be an L5 or VET? You joined sG before me so if you do have those requirements, I would apply for L5 at least so you can get your free admin. Nice seeing you again man!

THE VOTES ARE IN.
 
The judges awarded BAD TIMES AT THE EL ROYALE as our movie pick for the sG | Oscar Movie Night!
 
We will pick a date in February before the Oscars for us to watch!
 
What date would you like best?
Saturday, February 16th Saturday, February 23rd  
 
 
 
 
List of Movies:
Ready Player One - 8 points
BlacKkKlansman - 7 points
Incredibles 2 - 6 points
Mission Impossible: Fallout - 3 points
Black Panther - 8 points
Hereditary - 3 points
First Man
A Quiet Place - 7 points
Spider-Man: Into The Spider Verse - 10 points
Bad Times at the El Royale - 13 points
Dragon Ball: Broly - 3 points
MANDY - 5 points
Halloween - 3 points
The Mule - 7 points

THE VOTES ARE IN.
 
The judges awarded BAD TIMES AT THE EL ROYALE as our movie pick for the sG | Oscar Movie Night!
 
We will pick a date in February before the Oscars for us to watch!
 
What date would you like best?
Saturday, February 16th Saturday, February 23rd  
 
 
 
 
List of Movies:
Ready Player One - 8 points
BlacKkKlansman - 7 points
Incredibles 2 - 6 points
Mission Impossible: Fallout - 3 points
Black Panther - 8 points
Hereditary - 3 points
First Man
A Quiet Place - 7 points
Spider-Man: Into The Spider Verse - 10 points
Bad Times at the El Royale - 13 points
Dragon Ball: Broly - 3 points
MANDY - 5 points
Halloween - 3 points
The Mule - 7 points

Yeah I think we'll do a ranking system 1.  2.  3. with Top spot getting 3 points, 2nd getting 2pts and 3rd getting only 1pt.
 
REMEMBER THE PEOPLE THAT NOMINATED ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL VOTE ON THE MOVIE WE WILL WATCH TOGETHER BEFORE THE OSCARS.

Nominations Close Tomorrow.
 
List of Movies so far:
Ready Player One BlacKkKlansman Incredibles 2 Mission Impossible: Fallout Black Panther Hereditary First Man A Quiet Place Spider-Man: Into The Spider Verse Bad Times at the El Royale Dragon Ball: Broly MANDY Halloween The Mule

Welcome to the Oscars.

Welcome to the Oscars.

A rare photo of Demon out in the wild and out of the bathroom!!!
 
Hahah  Looking good fella!

Baby Driver 
 
 
 

lol did they actually put black panther in best picture?  Now that is comedy. 

Check it out whenever you get a chance. It is out for purchase and is at Redbox etc.
It is a fantastic thriller, plus it has the dude in it!

A Quiet Place