Just now, TheShovL said:

not the fact that I didn't get caught but the fact that I didn't know what I was doing was wrong.

Ignorantia juris non excusat

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Ignorantia juris non excusat[1] or ignorantia legis neminem excusat[2] (Latin for "ignorance of the law excuses not"[1] and "ignorance of law excuses no one"[2] respectively) is a legal principle holding that a person who is unaware of a law may not escape liability for violating that law merely because one was unaware of its content.

European-law countries with a tradition of Roman law may also use an expression from Aristotle translated into Latin: nemo censetur ignorare legem (nobody is thought to be ignorant of the law) or ignorantia iuris nocet (not knowing the law is harmful).

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1Explanation

2Translation

3Into law

4See also

5References

Explanation[edit]

See also: Promulgation and Promulgation (canon law)

The rationale of the doctrine is that if ignorance were an excuse, a person charged with criminal offenses or a subject of a civil lawsuit would merely claim that one was unaware of the law in question to avoid liability, even if that person really does know what the law in question is. Thus, the law imputes knowledge of all laws to all persons within the jurisdiction no matter how transiently. Even though it would be impossible, even for someone with substantial legal training, to be aware of every law in operation in every aspect of a state's activities, this is the price paid to ensure that willful blindness cannot become the basis of exculpation. Thus, it is well settled that persons engaged in any undertakings outside what is common for a normal person, such as running a nuclear power plant, will make themselves aware of the laws necessary to engage in that undertaking. If they do not, they cannot complain if they incur liability.

The doctrine assumes that the law in question has been properly promulgated—published and distributed, for example, by being printed in a government gazette, made available over the internet, or printed in volumes available for sale to the public at affordable prices. In the ancient phrase of Gratian, Leges instituuntur cum promulgantur ("Laws are instituted when they are promulgated").[3] In order that a law obtain the binding force which is proper to a law, it must be applied to the men who have to be ruled by it. Such application is made by their being given notice by promulgation. A law can only bind when it is reasonably possible for those to whom it applies may acquire knowledge of it in order to observe it, even if actual knowledge of the law is absent for a particular individual. A secret law is no law at all.

In the criminal law, although ignorance may not clear a defendant of guilt, it can be a consideration in sentencing, particularly where the law is unclear or the defendant sought advice from law enforcement or regulatory officials. For example, in one Canadian case, a person was charged with being in possession of gambling devices after they had been advised by customs officials that it was legal to import such devices into Canada.[4] Although the defendant was convicted, the sentence was an absolute discharge.

In addition, there were, particularly in the days before satellite communication and cellular phones, persons who could genuinely be ignorant of the law due to distance or isolation. For example, in a case in British Columbia, a pair of hunters were acquitted of game offenses where the law was changed during the period they were in the wilderness hunting.[citation needed] In reaching this decision, the court refused to follow an early English law case in which a seaman on a clipper before the invention of radio was convicted even though the law had been changed while he was at sea (Bailey (1800) Russ & Ry 1).

An alternate explanation of the origin of the maxim, though not particularly relevant to the modern context, can be found with the philosophy of the Greeks and Romans. These were cultures heavily influenced by customary legal systems. Within such a system, law is learned as a person participates in the culture and customs of the community. Thus it is unreasonable to believe a person could have avoided learning them. These rules and customs were also interwoven with ethical and religious dialog so that laws expressed what is right and good and deviation that which is not. We find that Cicero wrote the following in De re publica (On the Republic):

"There is a true law, right reason, agreeable to nature, known to all men, constant and eternal, which calls to duty by its precepts, deters from evil by its prohibition. This law cannot be departed from without guilt. Nor is there one law at Rome and another at Athens, one thing now and another afterward; but the same law, unchanging and eternal, binds all races of man and all times."

Plato wrote similarly in Minos:

"What’s right is right and what’s wrong is wrong. And isn’t this believed by everyone ... even among the Persians, and always? ... What is fine, no doubt, is everywhere legislated as fine, and what is shameful as shameful; but not the shameful as fine or the fine as shameful."

Just now, TheShovL said:

I've been using bhop scripts for less than a month, and still never got a warning.

So your argument is the fact that you didn't get caught initially warrants a more lenient punishment?   

@TheShovL I didn't know the rules therefore I should be immune to them?

3 years, what a necro.

3 hours ago, LunaBadger said:

Bumping the thread for this tidbit:

 

 

Destin and I were in a discussion started on Nuke about whether beyond the fence is legal or not. He went and pulled up this tidbit after a while of debating, as being beyond the fence is comparable to the topic which started this thread.

 

So being in that area is not allowed, as part of this blanket rule, and neither is being outside the fence on nuke.

 

 

Poor Accuri.

 

Basically we should have read what Face wrote, but what we all disregarded because Face abandoned us.

Being beyond an invisible wall has always been against the rules since Accuri became aids on old inferno??

Just now, LunaBadger said:

So no one was on so I went and hopped on a CS:S War3 server, and I noticed something neat:

They display a lot of 'myinfo' information on the right side there, just constantly.

I was wondering if that would be possible to do in GO, and if so, are the engineers willing to make it happen? Would people like that kind of display?

I think it would be a neat addition. What do you all think?

My first thought would be to ask @bulletford to see if he could possibly modify his overlay for TTT to do something along these lines, but he's probably super busy right now fixing TTT:GO so who knows.

I think this is a solution to a problem that doesn't exist in the eyes of the player base. The rule was a major point of discussion and I believe the opinion was unanimous that the rule was unnecessary. No one felt that pushing the Ts was unnecessarily difficult as a result of the confines of the vent. 

If the map is so much of an issue due to the T-sideness, why not find a mapper to modify it or remove the map altogether rather than set a rule the community doesn't find reason in? This doesn't seem like the right approach for the problem you are looking to solve.

Just now, ATG_AGENT said:

As i said... you can still look at and check vents, just dont CAMP vent. There two completely different things. Watch vent, go back there every few seconds jump up see if someone is there. Or as you walk by the vent take a look. Nothing is stopping you from covering the vent. And considering the time it takes to move through the vent you got alot of time to find out there in there. Not to mention the foot bug and you can see there feet. All this rule does is stop you from camping it with your crosshair on the ladder waiting for an easy kill.

Seeing as how sitting on the boxes is not a simple, uncontested free kill. It leaves you completely open to CT peeks from garage door, roof windows, and both of the doors on the opposite wall of the garage. It's a terrible position to camp. I don't think its as big as an issue that you're making it out to be. The map is already T sided, due to the closed nature of the map. Banning "vent camping" won't change anything.

Just now, ATG_AGENT said:

Its a rule we had back on the css servers that got lost when they had to rewrite the MOTD. Camping the vent would be: Standing on/inside the vent just waiting for people to drop down the ladder. It doesnt mean you cant watch it, or look at it - just dont camp it.

So whats the justification for having it now?

Here, to make the question more pointed: Is the only reason its a rule now is because it was a rule on css?

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• Camping main vent is illegal.

When was this added and what's the justification?

This seems super arbitrary.

Just now, LunaBadger said:

Kind of a weak survey, but cool.

 

I can't really think of too many races that impact my playing one way or another.

It's also hard for me to separate certain players using a race from a race being strong.

It's hard to write a comprehensive survey that also obtains a high number of responses. I felt the best way to get people to respond would be to provide a list alongside a relatively open ended survey. The sheer number of races alone makes it hard. If there's more interest I'll dedicate time to reworking it, but this feels like a good initial point.

Hey guys, I've been curious on how the community feels about server balance and we haven't done one of these in a while so I felt like doing an unofficial one myself. Feel free to fill out the responses with as much or little detail as you feel necessary. Remember this is just for myself so don't expect any changes based on what you submit. Please also avoid troll submissions as I really want to do some quantitative analysis on this.

Thanks!

Survey: https://goo.gl/forms/0rTIWGqj8yrdpFTh2

List of Races: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-acfX9lAfh1iUoOlSLqOXLC7KQj5ei8-okvTZBOkmJ0/edit?usp=sharing

EDIT: If you feel you can't think of any of the required fields, put N/A. I'm also formulating a master list of races on the server to help you think if need be, stay tuned. You can resubmit your response later on by editing it when you revisit the link.

Also, if you can't think of races you believe are weak, list races you never see instead. Those races could possibly need a buff to become relevant again.

1 hour ago, Duex said:

Seeing how trigger is retarded, yes it does make more sense.

Looking at a keyboard layout, you've gotta really fuck up to type the slur instead of spikes

c is very far away from the letters I or K. You have to reach over and hit c intentionally.

Now if he argues he doesn't know the word for spikes, he's retarded.

10 minutes ago, krony said:

that CD from snake easter

 

I wonder how these people get through life with that attitude towards the word.

I told @skitt yesterday.

Jews are the ethnic people of Israel. Discrimination against any group (except those who act like a dumbass) is not allowed on our server. Anyone who says otherwise has failed to read the motd. 

Albo raises a lot of good points about things that happen occasionally on war3. The culture among regulars, one that ghoul perpetuated for a time, not so much anymore, will be hard to change without staff clearly stating their intentions to the server and backing up SOs who do the day in/day out work.

@RoseAmherst @ples

The application application (heh) will post multiple apps if you hit the button more than once, which you are explicitly instructed not to do. Prepare to have your app terminated for failing to follow instructions.  

Good luck man! Stay safe!

When we can afford more of these:

2 hours ago, Junzou said:

 

To be clear, I'm not arguing that he wasn't scripting -- that was just the assumption I was using, since it seemed to be what he was being accused of.  I'm glad Eddy spent the time to confirm it's not possible to use hyperscrolling to that effect, that his previous bans were researched, and that he was correctly banned for scripting.

 

 

 

Since hyperscrolling is now banned though, I feel like we should ban people that use anything other than 2 channels on their headphones.  It's just not fair for people with Astro A40's to have surround sound so they can hear where people are coming from more accurately. 

I feel like we should ban people from UV, they had an obvious advantage of having a PC capable of gaming when CSS was a thing.

GIFs will not work to as a file uploaded to be a spray. You'll need to create a vtf file with a max size of 512x512 I believe.

5 minutes ago, papi said:

Hey Swed, I appreciate your feedback but I wanted to tell you I NEVER said "inb4 someone calls me a scripter" over microphone and only said it ONCE in chat. I said it because I felt tension between some of the players and I hoping to relieve that. I really just want to get back to playing, and I feel like I was wrongly banned. I appreciate what you said though..

Upon a rewatch, the microphone was in fact another player repeating what you typed. My mistake.

Even if he's not scripting, from what I've seen his general attitude on the server in question only invited the situation we have now. "Inb4 someone calls me a scripter" both in chat and over mic multiple times in that 2 minute clip cookie posted. It feels like this entire episode is in part his goal to achieve self-satisfaction of being unbanned by "power-hungry" admins by proving them wrong with his hardware based advantage of a hyperscrolling mouse.

Really a player we would want on our servers.

Fuck

Based on my own experiences, I don't think it's ultimate is bugged. This is of course anecdotal but I play enough to have a relevant opinion on it.

Idk if this is relevant to this thread, I'm on mobile and I forgot the op post premise, but abaddon is one of the few war3 raves that forces you to change your playstyle, and that's something war3 needs. Or you could play Gray Man and roll him the entire time he's ulted and then head shot critical him to death anyways . I agree with @Face