Free Speech

[fatb0y 1337]

Just now, ctark said:

Just something to stimulate the conversation again...

 

That comic... is misleading. On the face of it, the comic seems to imply that the Supreme Court believes nazi symbolism, "the swastika", is tantamount to incitement.This is not true.

 

The comic is right about the Supreme Court stating that incitement is not protected by the 1st amendment. However, the courts have also ruled that swastikas are not considered incitement.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Party_of_America_v._Village_of_Skokie 

[Arctic Freeze 15]

if you don't think nazis should be fucking curb stomped, fuck off

Cause violence and bigotry is solved by more violence.. how ignorant can you get

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[Dakota 4722]

Lol too many people have sipped the "be the bigger man" kool aid. 

Also @water.exe I was saying you're a dumb dumb for typing out 400,000 thousand. Which is commonly known as 400 million. @Ordinarygamer96 thought I was on his side for some reason. 

[Ordinarygamer96 785]

Just now, Beerman said:

Lol too many people have sipped the "be the bigger man" kool aid. 

Also @water.exe I was saying you're a dumb dumb for typing out 400,000 thousand. Which is commonly known as 400 million. @Ordinarygamer96 thought I was on his side for some reason. 

When did I make that assumption? Tbh  I barely read what you wrote.  Also @water.exe here is jist one of many articles where they explain why deporting illegals would raise food prices https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/12/06/why-you-might-pay-a-lot-more-for-food-under-trump/

[Dakota 4722]

 

[trav 6834]

Hating jews in 2k17 

 

I was profoundly disgusted watching that.

 

After watching that video, it's clear that this will escalate until more people are killed or even lynched... It's only a matter of time before this happens again...

 

To think this could even occur in 1981 is deranged... To consider the possibility of this actually happening in 2017 might be even more so.

 

NSFW

Spoiler

 

 

 

[Dakota 4722]

Nah it'll end once we let them yell their opinions loudly and recruit more. Good thing we all should respect their opinion and give it validation. 

[Arctic Freeze 15]

Nah it'll end once we let them yell their opinions loudly and recruit more. Good thing we all should respect their opinion and give it validation. 

Cause letting the far left yell and chant bull shit but not letting the far right yell bull shit is 100% the right thing to do. Yes I 100% agree with you. We should kill everyone and silence anyone with an opinion!

As much as I 100% disagree with the far left/right loonies I will NOT silence them because that helps them even more than doing nothing but arresting the violent ones.

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[trav 6834]

Just now, Beerman said:

Nah it'll end once we let them yell their opinions loudly and recruit more. Good thing we all should respect their opinion and give it validation. 

 

Giving it validation was using physical force against them. Look at how titillated and righteous Cantwell got after he claimed that the left started the brutality. Look at how he was after he got pepper sprayed the second time... It gives them purpose and meaning when physical force is used by Anti-fa and the like. It gives them and their ideas credence by adding the power of martyrdom. His beliefs only grew stronger after that. When your last resort is to use physical force, you've lost the debate.

 

We need people better than that.

[Dr. NarwhalsNumbNuts IV 2291]

We need Fredrick Douglas to come back to reteach manners to people!!!!

[centran 4457]

Just now, Dr. NarwhalsNumbNuts IV said:

We need Fredrick Douglas to come back to reteach manners to people!!!!

What do you mean come back? Where did he go? 

[fatb0y 1337]

Just now, centran said:

What do you mean come back? Where did he go? 

6 feet underground

[centran 4457]

Just now, fatb0y said:

6 feet underground

That is fake news! Our Supreme Executive of the Great Americas said he was alive. Do you dispute him good sir? 

[fatb0y 1337]

Just now, centran said:

That is fake news! Our Supreme Executive of the Great Americas said he was alive. Do you dispute him good sir? 

To be fair, Trump never said he was alive. 

[trav 6834]

 

 

Wonder how the Supremacists feel after these statements lol

 

 

 

Trump is excels in creating a further divide. Great leader. 10/10.

[JFK 546]

Just now, Travesty said:

 

 

I'm just so surprised to hear the U.S. President draw a false equivalence between the founding father of the U.S. that expressed regret over owning slaves, freed his own, and the Confederates that betrayed the U.S. and attacked Fort Sumter without warning because they wanted to continue upholding slavery as an institution when the rest of the developed world had moved on.

[fatb0y 1337]

17 minutes ago, JFK said:

 

I'm just so surprised to hear the U.S. President draw a false equivalence between the founding father of the U.S. that expressed regret over owning slaves, freed his own, and the Confederates that betrayed the U.S. and attacked Fort Sumter without warning because they wanted to continue upholding slavery as an institution when the rest of the developed world had moved on.

 

Is Trump drawing a "false equivalence" between George Washington and the confederates, or is he drawing an equivalence between George Washington and Robert E Lee? 

[trav 6834]

Just now, fatb0y said:

 

Is Trump drawing a "false equivalence" between George Washington and the confederates, or is he drawing an equivalence between George Washington and Robert E Lee? 

 

Wasn't Lee a confederate?

[JFK 546]

Just now, Travesty said:

 

Wasn't Lee a confederate?

 

Yes.

[fatb0y 1337]

Just now, Travesty said:

 

Wasn't Lee a confederate?

 

Yes he was, but that wasn't all that he was. You can read about him here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee 

 

When you equate someone to an entire group, you equate the most commonly held qualities of that group. Which discounts the actual comparison between Lee and Washington. Arguably, Lee fought for the confederacy not because of his similar views, but because of loyalty. 

 

BTW Robert E. Lee's father in law was George Washington's grandson. 

[Gashbell 0]

Well, well, well... what do we have here? A spicy thread to join in on?

 

I think some of you don't know what the 1st Amendment is.

-Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

I think we can all agree here none of us support Noe-Nazis, White supremacist, or any of the far extreme people that make up a minute amount of the population ( Believed around 3k people in KKK today, and around 200-300 members of the group wearing white shirts with triangle of some sort on it. I would say AT MOST no more than 10k people that are extreme, as it is VERY unpopular. )

 

Just because we don't like someone's VERY unpopular opinion and belief, doesn't mean we can suppress and silence them.

The law does not see color, race, religion, sex, etc. It's purely, the law, and a right of someone in our gracious country to believe, support, and speak about whatever the hell they want as long as it does not impede the public (violence, roadblocks, things of that nature.)

 

The "Alt-Right" got a permit from the mayor a month prior to speak about their reject views.

There is nothing wrong with this, as it is their right.

To which then the "Alt-Left" showed up armed to the teeth ready to incite violence.

You know what happened at this event? Violence.

Why? Because the police did absolutely nothing to stop it. You know who's fault that is? The mayor by telling the police to stand down and do nothing and let whatever happen, happen.

 

Now if you are wondering, who is this mysterious Anti-fa group? Where did they come from? They are basically fascist, while claiming to be anti-fascist. Violent little thugs hiding behind mask and inciting violence for the left. (Berkley)

You probably haven't heard of George Soros, because the media doesn't report on real news.

George Soros has been proven to bring BUSES OF PEOPLE in for riots, protest, and other events for political gain. He arms them with whatever they need, weapons, clothes, flags, anything to push whatever viewer ship he wants everyone to see.

Pretending for both sides I might add.

At the recent protest, you can see Nazi's with brand new gear, brand new flags that look like they've just been bought and unraveled.

How many die hard extremist supporters don't already have their very own personal flag? They all just happened to buy brand new flags?

Soros has already been caught with ads on Craigslist as well buying protesters for the recent protest and many others including Berkley. He is literally busing them in by the hundreds and giving them whatever they need to support whatever he wants. You know why? Because hes a far left billionaire and he does what he wants for his own political gain and corruption.

 

You know why you haven't heard of this? Because you listen to the media, the 11 or 12 odd MAJOR outlets that have been confirmed via Wikileaks ( Please don't argue over if Wikileaks is credible, I'm giving you credit, don't lose it) to be working with the DNC and pushing the most biased, twisted, propaganda information they can to hate on Trump and anything right-winged.

 

The "Alt-Left" are to blame for A LOT of the violence that was had. Just as much as the police are to blame for not stopping literally anything and being the most useless people ever in that situation.     (even crashing their fucking helicopter and killing 2 state troopers. )

 

This is why Trump openly came out and condemned any violent actions from both sides. Meaning Anti-fa and the White supremacist.

People are butthurt because he didn't say exactly who (They wanted to hear Nazi's, even though Trump literally came out and condemned any hate, violence, and everything from anyone there)

Their is a lot of people to blame for everything that went on in that shit hole of a protest, everyone there is a fucking retard.

 

Are White Supremacist terrible and should be ridden of our country? In my eyes, of course.

In the laws eyes? No. It is their right to be here, and speak about whatever they want.

No different than the extreme Christians that say we are all going to burn in hell and Satan will take us and we should all be killed for our sins, preaching everywhere.

The 1st Amendment is one of the best things of our country, as it lets someone believe, support, and speak about whatever they deem, however this can also mean extremist views that are VERY unpopular with the public and basically everyone.

 

Do not say you are woke either, you aren't woke, you are even more brainwashed and sheep minded than you were before. Closing your eyes to everyone except your loyalty to the propaganda and biased media you listen to.

I'm sick of the state of our country right now, it's pathetic.

People often forget that the media, left or right wing, can post about whatever the hell they want. Truth or lies. It's our duty as citizens to look into events and hold the article accountable and credible. It is our duty to form OUR OWN opinion on the matter at hand, not follow some narrative agenda for some power hungry rejects that are too corrupt to take down.

 

The important part is having your own views, opinion, and beliefs. Not what someone tells you. And not what media forces down your throat.

If you do not open your eyes and look at whats right in front of you, this country will never wake up and turn for the worst.

 

 

If It matters, I support Democrat's social policy's and Republican's Economic policy's. I don't directly align with anyone but in this case I'd vote for Trump again in 2020 if that gives you an idea.

I don't know if I missed out on anything I wanted to say, but probably. Feel free to have an educated response. All dumb responses will be kek'ed into nothing.

[Jodas 1542]

1 hour ago, Gashbell said:

Well, well, well... what do we have here? A spicy thread to join in on?

 

I think some of you don't know what the 1st Amendment is.

-Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

I think we can all agree here none of us support Noe-Nazis, White supremacist, or any of the far extreme people that make up a minute amount of the population ( Believed around 3k people in KKK today, and around 200-300 members of the group wearing white shirts with triangle of some sort on it. I would say AT MOST no more than 10k people that are extreme, as it is VERY unpopular. )

 

Just because we don't like someone's VERY unpopular opinion and belief, doesn't mean we can suppress and silence them.

The law does not see color, race, religion, sex, etc. It's purely, the law, and a right of someone in our gracious country to believe, support, and speak about whatever the hell they want as long as it does not impede the public (violence, roadblocks, things of that nature.)

 

The "Alt-Right" got a permit from the mayor a month prior to speak about their reject views.

There is nothing wrong with this, as it is their right.

To which then the "Alt-Left" showed up armed to the teeth ready to incite violence. You know who didn't get a permit to protest? Anti-fa

You know what happened at this event? Violence.

Why? Because the police did absolutely nothing to stop it. You know who's fault that is? The mayor by telling the police to stand down and do nothing and let whatever happen, happen.

 

Now if you are wondering, who is this mysterious Anti-fa group? Where did they come from? They are basically fascist, while claiming to be anti-fascist. Violent little thugs hiding behind mask and inciting violence for the left. (Berkley)

You probably haven't heard of George Soros, because the media doesn't report on real news.

George Soros has been proven to bring BUSES OF PEOPLE in for riots, protest, and other events for political gain. He arms them with whatever they need, weapons, clothes, flags, anything to push whatever viewer ship he wants everyone to see.

Pretending for both sides I might add.

At the recent protest, you can see Nazi's with brand new gear, brand new flags that look like they've just been bought and unraveled.

How many die hard extremist supporters don't already have their very own personal flag? They all just happened to buy brand new flags?

Soros has already been caught with ads on Craigslist as well buying protesters for the recent protest and many others including Berkley. He is literally busing them in by the hundreds and giving them whatever they need to support whatever he wants. You know why? Because hes a far left billionaire and he does what he wants for his own political gain and corruption.

 

You know why you haven't heard of this? Because you listen to the media, the 11 or 12 odd MAJOR outlets that have been confirmed via Wikileaks ( Please don't argue over if Wikileaks is credible, I'm giving you credit, don't lose it) to be working with the DNC and pushing the most biased, twisted, propaganda information they can to hate on Trump and anything right-winged.

 

The "Alt-Left" are to blame for A LOT of the violence that was had. Just as much as the police are to blame for not stopping literally anything and being the most useless people ever in that situation.     (even crashing their fucking helicopter and killing 2 state troopers. )

 

This is why Trump openly came out and condemned any violent actions from both sides. Meaning Anti-fa and the White supremacist.

People are butthurt because he didn't say exactly who (They wanted to hear Nazi's, even though Trump literally came out and condemned any hate, violence, and everything from anyone there)

Their is a lot of people to blame for everything that went on in that shit hole of a protest, everyone there is a fucking retard.

 

Are White Supremacist terrible and should be ridden of our country? In my eyes, of course.

In the laws eyes? No. It is their right to be here, and speak about whatever they want.

No different than the extreme Christians that say we are all going to burn in hell and Satan will take us and we should all be killed for our sins, preaching everywhere.

The 1st Amendment is one of the best things of our country, as it lets someone believe, support, and speak about whatever they deem, however this can also mean extremist views that are VERY unpopular with the public and basically everyone.

 

Do not say you are woke either, you aren't woke, you are even more brainwashed and sheep minded than you were before. Closing your eyes to everyone except your loyalty to the propaganda and biased media you listen to.

I'm sick of the state of our country right now, it's pathetic.

People often forget that the media, left or right wing, can post about whatever the hell they want. Truth or lies. It's our duty as citizens to look into events and hold the article accountable and credible. It is our duty to form OUR OWN opinion on the matter at hand, not follow some narrative agenda for some power hungry rejects that are too corrupt to take down.

 

The important part is having your own views, opinion, and beliefs. Not what someone tells you. And not what media forces down your throat.

If you do not open your eyes and look at whats right in front of you, this country will never wake up and turn for the worst.

 

 

If It matters, I support Democrat's social policy's and Republican's Economic policy's. I don't directly align with anyone but in this case I'd vote for Trump again in 2020 if that gives you an idea.

I don't know if I missed out on anything I wanted to say, but probably. Feel free to have an educated response. All dumb responses will be kek'ed into nothing.

What is your source for this guy arming antifa and shit? I have never heard of him.

Also having new flags isn't really an argument for them being fake nazis seeing as a lot of nazis only buy them right before the protest. They don't keep them at home, they don't want their friends to know most of the time.

[Ironic 2278]

I've been gone the past 2 months, so I'm not completely up to date on exactly what all has been going on, but here's my opinion.

The first amendment gives people the right to go out and wave almost whatever flag they want, and believe whatever they want (with some exceptions of course), even if their opinion is really unpopular. What people don't have the right to is to run over and kill protesters, no matter their stance. 

I agree with what Donald Trump said in the fact that there's wrong in both parties as far as what's been going on lately. This isn't a "one side of the party is causing all the problems". Getting mad at these "white supremists/Nazis" and then wanting to fight them, tear down these statues, and etc. isn't helping anything or as a lot of leftists like to say helping "stop the hate". It's doing the exact opposite. I'm not saying we should ignore what's been going on and ignore these people who claim to be white supremists and nazis, but the way a lot of people have been reacting to them, isn't going to help out the situation.

[Arctic Freeze 15]

This pretty much sums up both far left/right logic

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[Dakota 4722]

Can this fucking idiot not read? @Gashbell. Not a single person in this thread said the government should be able to silence them. Just that they shouldn't expect not to get domed when doing the nazi salute. You're trying real hard to defend a group of nazis.