Ordinarygamer96 785 Posted March 24, 2017 So in one of the arguably most embarrassing legislative losses in modern US history the Republicans were unable to repeal Obamacare despite having control of the government. I honestly don't think trump or the Republicans ever expected it to be repealed https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/03/24/politics/house-health-care-vote/index.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ironic 2278 Posted March 24, 2017 Well, that was a lot of wasted time for the White House lmao! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ordinarygamer96 785 Posted March 24, 2017 Just now, Ironic said: Well, that was a lot of wasted time for the White House lmao! Trump himself admitted he dosent know jack shit about healthcare. It was all rhetoric the Republicans and trump knew they didn't have a clue after 8 years . But it's not like trump doesn't have spare time he spends his weekends playing golf lmao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sith 1050 Posted March 24, 2017 It's almost as if everyone already knew the GOP didn't know what they were doing... owait. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moose 4890 Posted March 24, 2017 Although Obamacare is by no means the best, they definitely didn't come up with a better plan to replace it. They had no chance at it without a seemingly better plan to take its place. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatb0y 1337 Posted March 24, 2017 According to this article, https://www.wired.com/2017/03/want-understand-trumps-health-care-implosion-play-ultimatum-game/ It may not have been a total failure for Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ironic 2278 Posted March 24, 2017 Just now, fatb0y said: According to this article, https://www.wired.com/2017/03/want-understand-trumps-health-care-implosion-play-ultimatum-game/ It may not have been a total failure for Trump. I'd be surprised if they don't try to come up with something in the future. They said they're done with working on it for now, but I'd be real surprised if (in the background) they're still trying to come up with something, and then in the future, attempt to repeal and replace again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 3760 Posted March 24, 2017 Just now, Travesty said: it's... it's as if its a surprise... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ordinarygamer96 785 Posted March 24, 2017 Just now, Ironic said: I'd be surprised if they don't try to come up with something in the future. They said they're done with working on it for now, but I'd be real surprised if (in the background) they're still trying to come up with something, and then in the future, attempt to repeal and replace again. The administration and this Congress are already proving to be the most incompetent in modern history. Nothing is going to happen. The dems will take back seats in a couple years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JFK 546 Posted March 24, 2017 We all knew this plan was going to crash and burn the moment Trump's advisers began consulting slyfox on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moose 4890 Posted March 25, 2017 Just now, JFK said: We all knew this plan was going to crash and burn the moment Trump's advisers began consulting slyfox on it. TBH he was my first thought when they officially released their plan... @slyfox can you tell us what's next in their plans? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
centran 4457 Posted March 25, 2017 Well when many Republicans show their true colors and the fact they had no intention of the replace part. They just want it repealed. Period. Health Care is socialist after all. If you had money you could afford the doctor so why don't the poor people just die already. How can they even live being poor honestly? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slyfox 202 Posted March 25, 2017 Just now, Moose said: TBH he was my first thought when they officially released their plan... @slyfox can you tell us what's next in their plans? TBH the plan they proposed was not the one I was told about. The plan they mentioned was actually a pretty good replacement, with it basically still keeping people insured and helping them out. This new plan seems to be rushed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sith 1050 Posted March 25, 2017 Just now, centran said: Well when many Republicans show their true colors and the fact they had no intention of the replace part. They just want it repealed. Period. Health Care is socialist after all. If you had money you could afford the doctor so why don't the poor people just die already. How can they even live being poor honestly? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krony the brony 1938 Posted March 25, 2017 Just now, Sith said: got this picture from @Jodas Credit goes to Jodas. Not me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ordinarygamer96 785 Posted March 25, 2017 26 minutes ago, slyfox said: TBH the plan they proposed was not the one I was told about. The plan they mentioned was actually a pretty good replacement, with it basically still keeping people insured and helping them out. This new plan seems to be rushed. Translation- I made it all up assuming the Republicans would be able to accept their incompetence and not even try a repeal for over a year but they proved me wrong and let themselves go full cancer mode early . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UnknownLegend 5480 Posted March 25, 2017 Just now, krony said: got this picture from @Jodas Credit goes to Jodas. Not me This was also on the front page of reddit this morning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waffles 811 Posted March 25, 2017 It's more on congressional republicans rather than Trump for not coming up with a plan other than promising to repeal Obamacare. Paul Ryan introduces the replacement out of the blue and tries to get it passed three weeks later. If this failure is on anyone its Paul Ryan. Besides it has only been two months and Trump is making efforts to fulfill promises he made on his campaign. He has got a four year term to accomplish his agenda. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ordinarygamer96 785 Posted March 25, 2017 Just now, waffles said: It's more on congressional republicans rather than Trump for not coming up with a plan other than promising to repeal Obamacare. Paul Ryan introduces the replacement out of the blue and tries to get it passed three weeks later. If this failure is on anyone its Paul Ryan. Besides it has only been two months and Trump is making efforts to fulfill promises he made on his campaign. He has got a four year term to accomplish his agenda. You realize trump was the one who said they had to rush the vote ? It's at least partially trumps fault. Maybe if he actually cared he'd be working more and golfing and playing with truck horns less Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ironic 2278 Posted March 25, 2017 Just now, waffles said: It's more on congressional republicans rather than Trump for not coming up with a plan other than promising to repeal Obamacare. Paul Ryan introduces the replacement out of the blue and tries to get it passed three weeks later. If this failure is on anyone its Paul Ryan. Besides it has only been two months and Trump is making efforts to fulfill promises he made on his campaign. He has got a four year term to accomplish his agenda. That's the problem right there and the reason it wasn't passed, they rushed too quick into it. I understand Obamacare definitely has its flaws, but I don't think it's bad enough to where Republicans needed to rush into it so quickly like they did. Blame Trump or Ryan, I don't care, fact is they didn't get it worked out this go around. I think they just need to take a step back, focus on other issues, then maybe in the future come back to the issue of changing up how we do healthcare in America. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darren 272 Posted March 25, 2017 Republicans had 7 years to think of a better health care proposal than the ACA, and a majority in both congressional houses with which to pass it. Zero votes from Democrats aside, their failure to pass the bill came down to the growing divide within the party. At last canvas, something like 34 Republicans were leaning 'No' on the bill. This tells me that the party may be in for a split or platform realignment soon. Hell, both parties are overdue for a realignment anyways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
driz 2626 Posted April 3, 2017 much like obama, they poorly planned the changes to healthcare. Without limits on what doctor and hospitals can bill, our healthcare system will remain fucked. here's an example of why: took wife to ER due to symptoms of pneumonia. Got put in room, nurse visited and stated the doctor wanted blood work and a piss test. 3 hours later, i went to ask when the tests would happen. The ER doctor who requested the items had left for the day, provided no info to any of the nursing staff and the room was showing as empty. We finally got 2 pills from another nurse and were discharged. 2 weeks later, this doctor bills our insurance for 1173$. the doctor never saw us, forgot we were there and horribly failed at her job. My insurance offered to pay 50$ for the service. Doctor took the 50 and billed us the remaining 1123. We called our insurance, and luckily, they paid the balance. The fact remains that as long as a doctor can choose to bill whatever they want (hospitals in general do this in the US, they bill a completely different amount based on what insurance you have, in fact, prior to ACA, i would just claim i didn't have dental insurance because the no-insurance bill rate was less than my copay) will present an issue regardless of what healthplan is forced upon us. My thoughts: setup guidelines for hospital/doctor billing practices FIRST, then figure out how to make healthy 18-25year olds pay for the medical expenses of 90 year olds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
centran 4457 Posted April 3, 2017 2 hours ago, driz said: much like obama, they poorly planned the changes to healthcare. Without limits on what doctor and hospitals can bill, our healthcare system will remain fucked. here's an example of why: took wife to ER due to symptoms of pneumonia. Got put in room, nurse visited and stated the doctor wanted blood work and a piss test. 3 hours later, i went to ask when the tests would happen. The ER doctor who requested the items had left for the day, provided no info to any of the nursing staff and the room was showing as empty. We finally got 2 pills from another nurse and were discharged. 2 weeks later, this doctor bills our insurance for 1173$. the doctor never saw us, forgot we were there and horribly failed at her job. My insurance offered to pay 50$ for the service. Doctor took the 50 and billed us the remaining 1123. We called our insurance, and luckily, they paid the balance. The fact remains that as long as a doctor can choose to bill whatever they want (hospitals in general do this in the US, they bill a completely different amount based on what insurance you have, in fact, prior to ACA, i would just claim i didn't have dental insurance because the no-insurance bill rate was less than my copay) will present an issue regardless of what healthplan is forced upon us. My thoughts: setup guidelines for hospital/doctor billing practices FIRST, then figure out how to make healthy 18-25year olds pay for the medical expenses of 90 year olds. I will add to @driz story as I have went to the future to see how it turns out. In 3 years they will get a call from a collection company demanding the $1123. The insurance company never paid the balance. The amount was just placed in dispute with no action from hospital or insurance company. After an audit of the hospitals accounts they found the $1123 balance and since it was so old sold it off to a collection agency. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites