Altercation between Off-duty officer and teenagers

[Yunki 2197]

tl;dr - Few days ago a video surfaced of a 13 year old being handled by an off duty police officer, as the altercation continued, some of the teen's friends started to attack an surround the cop. The cop then pulls out his weapon and it goes off. 2 teens were arrested and the officer was not. As expected, there were riots that resulted in graffiti and damaged property. 

 

Personal opinion - Both sides are at fault, but more so the teenager(s). From the information I have gathered from this video (Philip is a great example of an unbiased outlet even though he is a "professional" journalist), the only wrong the cop has done was shooting off his weapon close to the kids, whether intentional or not. The kids however, again from what information I've seen, started the altercation by threatening to shoot the cop, they then physically assaulted the man, and then surround him, with one of the teenagers putting his hand in his back pocket. Personally, I believe the kid MIGHT have said sue, but it sounds like he has some sort of speech impediment, so it's understandable to hear either "shoot" or "sue".  

 

Regardless, I'm furious that there were riots before all the information was given out.

 

[Ironic 2278]

I definitely feel like the cop should have handled it in a different manner. Unless the kid was trying to run away (and we didn't see that on video though), I don't feel he should have grabbed hold of the kid. He should have just called the police, waited for them to come, and then let the officers on duty handle the arrest. It's definitely not illegal to make a citizens arrest like he was doing, I feel he was just being a little too aggressive on the kid, and then definitely the whole gun thing shouldn't have even happened.

Also, I agree. People these days riot over the stupidest shit, without even getting the full story. Welcome to America 2017.

 

Edit: After watching the video you posted, I can definitely see now how the cop was totally in the right for pulling out the gun when the kids were getting ready to jump him. The discharge will probably be the only thing the cop gets in trouble for, unless more information is gathered that he was actually assulting the kid or something.

[Dakka 854]

Thank you parents for raising your kids to act like thugs that form mobs and intimidate figures of authority; the same figures of authority that you expect to protect your kids when things get violent.

[gemma 527]

all cops are bastards. being complicit in a system of oppression is no better than being an oppressor yourself. also while we're at it, fuck all those videos that attempt to humanize cops. instead of pulling someone over for no reason to give them ice cream just... don't?

[Gerald 1371]

6 minutes ago, gemma said:

all cops are bastards. being complicit in a system of oppression is no better than being an oppressor yourself. also while we're at it, fuck all those videos that attempt to humanize cops. instead of pulling someone over for no reason to give them ice cream just... don't?

brb calling my neighborhood Blood members for when my house gets burglarized

[gemma 527]

4 minutes ago, Gerald said:

brb calling my neighborhood Blood members for when my house gets burglarized

i mean strong communities make police obsolete. i'd much rather call some of my comrades.

[therealone109 4]

3 minutes ago, gemma said:

i mean strong communities make police obsolete. i'd much rather call some of my comrades.

I wish big cities with millions of people and crime at a daily basis had more of those "comrades"

[Ironic 2278]

23 minutes ago, gemma said:

all cops are bastards. being complicit in a system of oppression is no better than being an oppressor yourself. also while we're at it, fuck all those videos that attempt to humanize cops. instead of pulling someone over for no reason to give them ice cream just... don't?

Seriously? My uncle is a former cop, and now a current detective (which I know is a form of cop technically) and he's one of the nicest guys I know. I've talked with multiple cops in my area, and they're super nice people. The only cop in my area who I heard was a bitch was my former school's resource officer, which she didn't seem all that friendly so I understand.

To dehumanize and say all cops are terrible people based on the few "bad ones" you see on the internet is just plain wrong. 

[gemma 527]

5 minutes ago, Ironic said:

Seriously? My uncle is a former cop, and now a current detective (which I know is a form of cop technically) and he's one of the nicest guys I know. I've talked with multiple cops in my area, and they're super nice people. The only cop in my area who I heard was a bitch was my former school's resource officer, which she didn't seem all that friendly so I understand.

To dehumanize and say all cops are terrible people based on the few "bad ones" you see on the internet is just plain wrong. 

 

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...being complicit in a system of oppression is no better than being an oppressor yourself.

 

 

also the only cop you've heard is shit is a woman? lol ok ironic

[Duex 1095]

35 minutes ago, gemma said:

all cops are bastards. being complicit in a system of oppression is no better than being an oppressor yourself. also while we're at it, fuck all those videos that attempt to humanize cops. instead of pulling someone over for no reason to give them ice cream just... don't?

 

[Moosin 92]

1 hour ago, Yunki said:

Regardless, I'm furious that there were riots before all the information was given out.

 

If it was really a full scale riot and not just a few of the kids buddies getting pissed, it does seem like an overreaction. 

Until there's more info I'm going to stay unbiased for now.

[Yunki 2197]

20 minutes ago, Moosin said:

 

If it was really a full scale riot and not just a few of the kids buddies getting pissed, it does seem like an overreaction. 

Until there's more info I'm going to stay unbiased for now.

24 people were arrested because of their rioting, broken window, graffiti on a garage, not full scale, but enough to where I thought it was dumb af

[Ivanns 1088]

1 hour ago, gemma said:

all cops are bastards. being complicit in a system of oppression is no better than being an oppressor yourself. also while we're at it, fuck all those videos that attempt to humanize cops. instead of pulling someone over for no reason to give them ice cream just... don't?

 

Wow you are an idiot. You can't talk in absolutes about cops or any group of people in general. Of course there are bad ones but there are also good cops who do their jobs well and don't have the need to be power hungry.

 

Without police officers or other kind of order, modern cities will be in anarchy. As "cool" as that might seem, it really isn't.

[Smash 188]

5 hours ago, gemma said:

all cops are bastards. being complicit in a system of oppression is no better than being an oppressor yourself. also while we're at it, fuck all those videos that attempt to humanize cops. instead of pulling someone over for no reason to give them ice cream just... don't?

 

Yes, the people protecting our day to day lives are all fucking bastards that deserve to die, obviously. To have any semblance of order, someone has to be there to uphold it. The laws are in place to keep the people, WE the people, safe. Speeding? That's against the law. You break the law, they are required, by their job description, to enforce it upon you and punish you as they see fit. 

 

5 hours ago, gemma said:

i mean strong communities make police obsolete. i'd much rather call some of my comrades.

 

Yes I'm sure that strong communities make police obsolete because the same people who would be cops are enforcing the rules set in place by the community right? The leaders of the group etc, or are you now talking about socialism? Honestly you've lost me here. You call cops bastards, but they are people. So in saying that, you are saying that any human has the capability to be a bastard. Now, in one of these communicates I don't see how it's possible to not have a single bastard in it, thus eventually causing chaos and anarchy.

 

5 hours ago, gemma said:

 

 

 

also the only cop you've heard is shit is a woman? lol ok ironic

 

Pulling shit out of your ass about a coincidence, grow up. I could make a thousand different claims about men being treated poorly in comparison to women and vice versa. Why? Because anything can be viewed from multiple perspectives, when you twist that perspective and force people to look through it things become skewed. That's what you're doing here, and it's bullshit.

 

EDIT: To actually weigh in the topic, I believe the cop was in the right, mostly. I can't quite tell where the gun was pointed when it discharged, which worries me. However he was well within his right to defend himself and as long as the gun was pointed in a safe direction when discharged I see no reason for him to be reprimanded. Cop or not, he did the right thing in defending himself without causing any injuries etc.

[Sandy 2032]

tbh i dont trust cops 

 

but thats cause of the area i live in

 

but it feels like most of u got jebaited by savage

 

[Yunki 2197]

23 minutes ago, Sandy said:

tbh i dont trust cops 

 

but thats cause of the area i live in

 

but it feels like most of u got jebaited by savage

 

Sad part is, she wasn't jebaiting us

[gemma 527]

4 hours ago, Yunki said:

Sad part is, she wasn't jebaiting us

can conf was not jebaiting

[Battlemech7 87]

First of all...he is a cop. You need to be some kind of stupid, to surround a cop, threaten him and then actually assault him.

 

These kids needs a refresher clearly:

 

You gon' act like a bitch, you gon' get shot like a bitch.

[Dakota 4722]

Lol at all you people defending a guy pulling a gun out on a group of kids. So let's get it clear, the kids walked through his yard I guess as a shortcut from school. He yelled at them to stop doing that instead of having a civil conversation. Some kid talked back so because he knows he can't lose this fight he grabs the kid and drags him down the street. Then when his friends reasonably try to protect him, the off duty cops pulls a gun put with the safety off, finger on the trigger and let's a round go off. If you seriously think your life is in danger to the point of you having to draw a gun, maybe you should just let go of the fucking kid you're dragging through a bush.

And unless he was known as a neighborhood cop or showed a badge then I don't blame the kids for trying to get their friend back from some lunatic dragging their friend away.

Cop should have been civil, kid shouldn't have talked back, cop shouldn't have manhandled a 13 year old. Kids did right trying to protect their friend from a stranger, cop shouldn't have drawn his gun in fear. Cops should have arrested the off duty cops as well.

[Ironic 2278]

1 hour ago, Beerman said:

Lol at all you people defending a guy pulling a gun out on a group of kids. So let's get it clear, the kids walked through his yard I guess as a shortcut from school. He yelled at them to stop doing that instead of having a civil conversation. Some kid talked back so because he knows he can't lose this fight he grabs the kid and drags him down the street. Then when his friends reasonably try to protect him, the off duty cops pulls a gun put with the safety off, finger on the trigger and let's a round go off. If you seriously think your life is in danger to the point of you having to draw a gun, maybe you should just let go of the fucking kid you're dragging through a bush.

And unless he was known as a neighborhood cop or showed a badge then I don't blame the kids for trying to get their friend back from some lunatic dragging their friend away.

Cop should have been civil, kid shouldn't have talked back, cop shouldn't have manhandled a 13 year old. Kids did right trying to protect their friend from a stranger, cop shouldn't have drawn his gun in fear. Cops should have arrested the off duty cops as well.

I agree I feel he should have avoided the whole situation, but (besides the fact that the gun was either discharged or misfired), the cop didn't do anything illegal by making the citizens arrest. That's why he wasn't taken into custody. If you watch the video, you can see that the man is not "man handeling" or "dragging the kid", he is just holding onto him making the citizens arrest, and waiting for the cops to come. The kid and his friends are the ones being aggressive and making the man move away in order to get away from them.

You can also see from the video that most likely the reason he drew his weapon was because the kid on his left was definitely looking like he was reaching for something in his back pocket.

 

Again, I don't agree with what the guy was doing. I personally think he should have just ignored them and just threatened to call the cops. But, from the video we saw, him holding onto the kid and saying "I'm making a citizens arrest", then with everything that follows that, the man didn't really do anything illegal (again, besides the fact that the gun did go off).

[Dakota 4722]

And the cops don't know if the kid did anything illegal either. It's a his word their word argument but the kids got charged. Again. Did he show a badge? Otherwise the kids acted rationally to their friend being dragged away.

To Frankenstein what you said in the trans thread, if I saw a man manhandle my sister I'd attack him. Same concept applies here. Unless he proved his a cop then all actions taken can't be seen as "omg they attacked a cop"

[Ironic 2278]

8 minutes ago, Beerman said:

And the cops don't know if the kid did anything illegal either. It's a his word their word argument but the kids got charged. Again. Did he show a badge? Otherwise the kids acted rationally to their friend being dragged away.

 

To Frankenstein what you said in the trans thread, if I saw a man manhandle my sister I'd attack him. Same concept applies here. Unless he proved his a cop then all actions taken can't be seen as "omg they attacked a cop"

 

Him being a cop really doesn't matter in this situation at all. Anyone can make a legal citizens arrest. You can believe what you want, I'm just telling you the reason why he wasn't arested. Disagree with it all you want, but he did it by the law.

 

Again, this is only what we know with the video evidence. More evidence could come in the future proving one side or the other was more in the wrong.

[Dakota 4722]

Had he not been a cop the cops that arrived wouldn't have approached with guns in their holsters.

Oh man this scary 13 year old said he'd shoot me. Better pull out my gun on a group of kids and paint a target on my head to the county. gg good plan. Pride took over and he was too far into his own shitty situation to simply let the kid go.

[Ironic 2278]

8 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Oh man this scary 13 year old said he'd shoot me. Better pull out my gun on a group of kids and paint a target on my head to the county. gg good plan.

I mean, if people were around me threatening to attack me, and then I see one guy reach into his back pocket acting like he's trying to get something, heck yeah I would pull a gun out on them.

[Dakota 4722]

I mean, if kids were around me threatening to attack me, and then I see one kid reach into his back pocket acting like he's trying to get something, heck yeah I would pull a gun out on them.

 

Why not just let go of the kid and end the escalation? Why do you think you need to shoot a kid? Jesus you sound like a pussy

 

 

 

If the man thought his life was in danger and that he was going to get stabbed or shot, he should have let go of the kid. But his pride wouldn't let him and instead he pulled out a gun and endangered other lives other than his own.