Counter Strike Player Suing Valve

[Dray 163]

a counter strike player is currently attempting to sue valve, Accusing the company of allowing illegal online gambling market propagating the game itself

here is the article in case if you want more information on the situation

 http://steamed.kotaku.com/counter-strike-player-sues-valve-over-illegal-weapon-sk-1782586467

would like to hear your opinions on this.

 

 

 

[Yunki 2197]

Sounds like someone is mad that he lost his skins

 

QQ moar

[JFK 546]

Honestly, he is right that it's far too easy for minors who don't really have much income to get addicted to this because sites like CSGOLounge are completely unregulated. But that's mainly on CSGOLounge and not Valve.

 

Not sure what he's complaining about with OPSkins since you have to be over 18 and you have to provide identification in order to even use the site to buy and sell stuff. OPSkins is merely a marketplace and doesn't facilitate gambling in any way.

 

On a side note, I'm still a bit annoyed that EchoFox vs Na'Vi Dust II game with 15% odds started early and couldn't bet $600 because of that.

[MistaChang 2023]

When ever I have opened up a case, I always assumed it was gambling.  It litterly is like a slot machine and you should have to be legal age(on steam) to gamble in your country you reside in to open cases following legislation on gambling laws.

 

Opening cases for a money to try and make money is gambling while opening cases to get skins is litterly just that.  I feel like the guy may have felt like he was gambling, but the way it is marketed it is not gambling.  I feel like it is, but it isn't gambling unless YOU make it gambling.

[Terumi 219]

just another guy going around gambling and blaming the company that owns the game for his own fault of losing his money when its really his own responsibility and should either not gamble at all or shut the hell up if u lose cause its his own problem lmao.

[York 387]

hes such a little bitch

[buster 103]

Everyone is a product of their upbringing, if he wants to blame anyone it should be his parents.

[MistaChang 2023]

1 hour ago, buster said:

Everyone is a product of their upbringing, if he wants to blame anyone it should be his parents.

I've heard that's what alot of phycopaths do..  never good to blame other people for your mistakes.

[Triv 79]

This is a joke. Valve isn't forcing anybody to participate in the skins/cases market.

 

Everyone knows that once you start spending money on in-game items of any sort, there is always a catch and there is always a gamble. 

 

Gambling is a game in itself, dont cry when you lose. And learn when to quit when it comes to gambling. 

 

 

 

[JXC 31]

When people start attacking the Company for gambling, that is in a real world scenario like getting money from your bank account, going to a casino and gambling, loosing all your money, then sue the bank for allowing money to be spent at the casino. As for Valve looking into making sure the site operators and users are of age, Why the fuck should they care? All they are supplying is a way for people to use their steam account to log into a website. They shouldn't be required to spend money and resources on e-gambling sites, as that is the police's problem. The whole lawsuit is bogus, and if anything needs to be done, it would have to be the inclusion of internet items into the gambling laws. (so I have heard that gambling laws to not address e-items)

[Timeassassin103 223]

 

Ethan posted a response to the lawsuit. 

[trav 6834]

I wonder how many others are just like CSGO Lotto.

 

TheWarOwl31 minutes ago

Thanks for making this video Ethan, you have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes. I get offers every other day or so starting at $10k-$15k from these gambling sites. Check out how many CS:GO YouTubers take these deals... I'm really disappointed to see the CS:GO community get more and more scummy, because I love the game.

 

 

The epitome of kids gambling. @Rainsurge This video honestly kinda sickens me when I hear you losing $200 in your voice.

 

[Face 1910]

This entire thread is insanity.

 

The entire logic is "kids need to get over it". You could use all of your own arguments about a 14 year old girl being allowed to have sex with a 40 year old. "Blame her parents for not raising her better", etc.

Kids aren't capable of making good decisions in a lot of situations. Yes, their parents should do better. Yes, they should learn from their mistakes.

No, the world should not be a "free-for-all" where anyone and everyone can exploit children with shitty parents. Congratulations if you had good parents... that doesn't mean everyone else should have to cope with serious consequences of their decisions at an age like 13.

 

I've always thought the video game gambling is incredibly immoral for Valve to take part in.

This doesn't just have to do with the websites. Valve's market has essentially no regulation because they say skins aren't worth money because they are virtual items. They are very aware that they are barely skirting a heavily regulated market, and they are doing it for the money.

In my mind, as soon as video game gambling gets national attention it will fall under the regulation of all other gambling laws in the US. As soon as a major case makes it on national news, the landscape will be entirely changed. You can talk to any educated person who isn't affiliated with online gaming/gambling, explain to them how CSGO cases and gambling works, and say "does this sound like gambling" and they would say yes. It will lose, it is just a matter of time.

I'm honestly kind of disappointed that most everyone in this thread seems to have the attitude that "kids need to get over it".

[trav 6834]

You're right, it is just a matter of time and it's already starting to happen @Face

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-virtual-guns-counterstrike-gambling/

[Rainsurge 130]

@Travesty i did make a very stupid decision but I had spent MY own money on those skins (and only about 80 dollars.) But none the less no matter the amount gambling is not worth the risk. looking back on that video it's incredibly annoying and I sound like a dumbass, guess I just expected to win. and also what do you mean you have been offered 10-15k from gambling websites?

 

 

@Face  Also makes valid point about not blaming the child's parents

[trav 6834]

1 hour ago, Rainsurge said:

@Travesty i did make a very stupid decision but I had spent MY own money on those skins (and only about 80 dollars.) But none the less no matter the amount gambling is not worth the risk. looking back on that video it's incredibly annoying and I sound like a dumbass, guess I just expected to win. and also what do you mean you have been offered 10-15k from gambling websites?

 

 

To clarify I'm not sickened at you, I'm just sickened that it can happen to young guys like yourself. There's legitimate laws put in place to prevent it but Valve has a great loophole because it's "virtual". While it's unfortunate that it's you in the video, it just goes to show the exact feeling and what can happen to a young individual when they gamble at a young age. It says it all in your voice.

 

That wasn't me who was saying that. It was a comment by a popular YouTuber, WarOwl, on the video @Timeassassin103 posted.

 

I personally never understood the appeal to skins and haven't gambled any yet either but I'm not a big gambler anyhow. It just honestly disgusts me a bit just to see how easy it is for kids to get an addiction to it and the feeling that comes with winning. The fact that Valve or any of these YouTubers/Streamers (whose fan base is usually a younger crowd) promote it as well is a bit sickening too, especially when they're faking win videos for their own god damn companies...

 

If CSGO is surviving on the skins market, then honestly it doesn't have a great future ahead of itself. Valve should be investing in other ways for CSGO to maintain itself, not new skins every other month. It's already pretty rare to see it be a top streaming game unless there's a major going on. I've noticed it's slight decline in popularity at least on Twitch for a while now... I wonder what that means for the game.

 

 

 

Edit: Tmartin now admitting to it http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sos0np

[Swed 2651]

I bet skins regularly.

 

I also have a paying job and the self control necessary to not allow betting to become an addiction to me.

 

These two aspects are things not commonly found among younger people, especially those <13.

 

Therefore, don't allow younger people to bet.

[trav 6834]

It's actually pretty fucking crazy that owners of gambling sites are able to gamble on their own sites. With the "provably fair system" you can see future rolls and bet on those rolls knowing that you're going to win. So you're betting against actual players who take your big bets, when you know full well that you're going to win that bet or at the very least, tie it. You can take that less than 1% chance of winning and know for a fact that you're going to win a big pot.

 

Most CSGO betting sites use the provably fair system, including CSGO Lotto. However it's not disclosed who the owners are for the most of these websites and that therein lies a big problem with the gambling community.

https://dicesites.com/provably-fair

 

More info can be found in the m0e conversation with CSGO Diamond owners. Explaining and giving him the future rolls for all bets.

http://i.imgur.com/xLFrfS6.jpg

 

This is only the tip of the iceberg but we basically can confirm owners of gambling sites are fake betting, popular streamers/youtubers are fake betting and even pro cs players are fake betting... There's so much shady shit with CSGO gambling that I'm surprised most players still gamble on skins.

 

 

 

[JXC 31]

Csgo betting is a simple concept. It should be for fun, never for profit, and if you think that you have outsmarted the website, you are wrong. THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS.

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[Yunki 2197]

9 minutes ago, TheLJH said:

Csgo betting is a simple concept. It should be for fun, never for profit, and if you think that you have outsmarted the website, you are wrong. THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS.

 

>betting

>never for profit

 

pick one

[JXC 31]

>betting

>never for profit

 

pick one

I mean, you hope to make money, but should never expect to make money. You should only do it for fun.

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[turbulance 105]

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[Sean 3760]

There is an also an age restriction in place for purchasing and playing CS:GO.

 

The above video from h3h3 is great, I think that big youtubers like ProSyndicate are a sack of shit, and manipulate their audience, which are mostly children, into taking their parents credit cards to try to "win big".

 

Fuck that shit.

[Dray 163]

I never had the chance to express my opinion on gambling before as I am busy visiting family for the past/current week 

 

Honestly gambling is a nuteral thing for me as I only gamble on roulette websites , the thing I don't like about the atmosphere of gambling is that some kids who are preferably new to csgo , only bought the game just to get skin drops and waste money on skins just to gamble on pot sites in hopes of winning money as they get encouraged by youtubers in the first place , just like prosyndicate and tmartn

 

h3h3 did a great job exposing both prosyndicate and tmartn and giving out facts about the current state of the csgo skins market and gambling in general 

 

I think kids should get the idea of gambling and its consequences before they do something that they regret 

 

But hey I'm just putting my 2 cents in 

 

[Triv 79]

What ever happened to just getting skins based on how many kills you get with the gun

 

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