Regarding recent events

[fatb0y 1337]

So you guys may or may not have noticed the drama that happened over the past few days. Some of you may know what is going on from one side, some of you guys may know what is going on from another side, and some of you may have no clue what is going on. This post is to explain to you, our community, what exactly is going on from our point of view.

As most of you may know, Mitch and Toxygen recently stepped down from their positions on staff here at sG. They are now a part of a new community called SiJ, or Samurais in Jeans. To my understanding, and those of you who are a part of SiJ correct me if I'm wrong, is a private community. They are basically a group of friends on the internet who have their own private forum and whatnot. Kind of like Bros or GS or what have you. SiJ's staff consists of Mitch, Pork N Chili, Sakata, Sandy Balls, and Toxygen. Clay as their engineer and I suppose Salv as their equivalent of an advisor.

Now for all of you guys who are concerned about dual-clanning, don't be. This community can be friends with other communities. For many years now, our rules have not changed regarding this matter. If you are on an sG server, sG tags go first and that is all, everyone can be friends.

SiJ, had they simply been a group of friends like Bros or GS, then everything would have been fine. You guys might have seen some of the SiJ members here say something along the lines of "you guys[staff] seem to think SiJ and sG are mutually exclusive". That is not so, we do not think that, we do not necessarily want that, we do not require that. SiJ orginally stated that they are like GS or Bros, and since they do not have servers are not in competition with sG, and we acceptted that for what it was worth.

Apparently not much

However, a red flag went up when staff heard that KGame was recruiting people from our community to go to SiJ, but we brushed it off. It didn't seem like something we needed to worry about.

A few days down the line however, staff catches wind of this conversation from an SiJ member. You can read various SiJ member's response to this member here: http://www.joinsg.net/topic/53527-calling-out-eddy/

Here are a few snippets from this conversation, and SiJ members have been quick to point out to me that we, sG Staff, have taken this conversation out of context, but if anyone reading this could put it into a context that makes these statements ok, please let me know.

This began as a PSA by Toxygen on SiJ forums...

The message from Mimic was a reiteration of rule 10 of the SO Guidelines.

(Staff leak)

The responeses in that conversation started by Toxygen is what caused us, the Staff, to act the way that we did.

A threat of DDoS...

You could imagine my surprise when windmill reacted the way that he did when we demoted him from his SO position.

A plan to "take" all of our, and your, SOs.

Mimic decided that simply demoting them was enough, but as some of you may know, I decided to remove these SOs from the clan entirely. Was I overreacting? Perhaps, perhaps not. Also, Mimic told some people that I was "drunk" when I removed these people from the clan, I just want to make it clear to all of you right now that I wasn't and I can own up to my actions without faking alcoholism, unlike some others. I fully understood what I was doing, and I felt that the action I took was the right one.

Moving on, soon after the demoting of a few members, we got word of another plan in the works on the SiJ forums.

Now, one of the main complaints that I have seen from SiJ members is that sG is no longer what it used to be. Our community, our servers, are not what they used to be. I have been here for a long time, and I can say honestly, that this is true. Things change, games get old, games get boring, people grow up, people's interests change. All of these things are undoubtedly going to happen, and we can't stop that. We can only change in a way that, hopefully, makes this community strive.

So I ask you now, what do you guys, the community, want from us as Staff. How can we be better? Do we even want to keep the servers online? Do we want to be just a forum?

Although we as Staff keep this community running as best we can, this community would be nothing without you guys. You guys are the substance of this community, and as such your opinions are needed for us to decide how we should change this community so that it can continue to strive.

P.S. As many of you have noticed, there are now a few SO and Staff positions open which need to be filled. We will be looking to promote some people to these positions shortly. Also, a new server is in testing and when it opens, we will need a few SOs for that server too.

[fontaine 1744]

[n2fwa 605]

Just to clarify, bros never had a website or never was a clan, was just tags to wear to let people know we > them in WCS.

[Daileyyy 835]

Thanks for the update fatboy!

[Ruffles 731]

Thanks fatb0y for the update. I think you and the other staff are doing great. Thanks for the update and letting us know what is going on.

[Archy 422]

Thanks for the update fatboy!

Holy shit bro, calm down with the dick sucking....

[Wintergreen 1603]

IF A WCS OR WAR 3 OPENS, HOLLA AT YA BOI! 

Nah but the staff pool is rather large, and it's rather confusing to say who does what.
A few more events would be cool (just saw the minigames one).

Have Sketch and Drunk capitalize :>

[Oreo 2073]

"So I ask you now, what do you guys, the community, want from us as Staff. How can we be better? Do we even want to keep the servers online? Do we want to be just a forum?

Although we as Staff keep this community running as best we can, this community would be nothing without you guys. You guys are the substance of this community, and as such your opinions are needed for us to decide how we should change this community so that it can continue to strive."

I believe the community is fine, it's simply a matter now of filling in the right people into the open spots and try to prevent something similar to this from happening again. I know we've let groups of friends and whatever exist in staff but I believe that it went a bit too far this time. If we can do anything to try and prevent this from happening on this scale again then I would definitely be for such a system but I can understand any hesitation towards something like it. The community is fine as is, we're thriving right now in CSGO and TTT is still going strong(I definitely want to see Theatre get populated). Maybe we could go back and host server nights more often, as I know we used to do that all the time with ZE and it would be packed all the time. I think the community has been watched over well despite this recent occurrence and I think it's handled fine. I'm not sure how much my previous opinion matters, but in all honesty I don't think you should be worried about anything.

Edit: Forgot to mention this on servers, since it was stated that the servers weren't what they used to be. I think one of the defining things about our servers is the atmosphere. Using Monkeh as an example, he essntially became of the faces and arguably the most loved people of the server. I think we should encourage the type of environment he brings to the table, relaxed and fun. What made sG different when I first started playing on the servers was this environment and its what seperates us from other ones. We should encourage this and try to shift the mind of the players from feeling like its a very overseen server to just enjoying the community as they play.

Edited May 23, 2013 by Oreo

[DarkPredator 1193]

Just to clarify, bros never had a website or never was a clan, was just tags to wear to let people know we > them in WCS.

TBH we all thought your name was Bros until you yelled at us to stop calling you that

[Dyscivist 5686]

It was funny to me when I read the convo and saw the people talking about DDOS wondering why they got demoted or kicked. I don't really think Youngz deserved it though, but that's just my personal opinion. I also saw that X-men was kicked out for presumably no reason at all and then reinstated at a later date, which was silly.

 

Also, Mimic's message wasn't purely a reiteration of the already-listed SO guidelines. He also stated that we were not to be inviting any sG members, whether on the forums, in-game or otherwise to SiJ, which is not regarded anywhere in the guidelines unless I'm mistaken.

Edited May 23, 2013 by Dyscivist

[tex1an2 680]

So I ask you now, what do you guys, the community, want from us as Staff. How can we be better? Do we even want to keep the servers online? Do we want to be just a forum?

 

Here's a few things I'd like to see:

 

• Personally I want to have a vague, general description of our finances. Knowing where we stand and how much we have to work with will energize ideas into opening new servers & games

 

• WCS needs to make a return on CS:GO. It is too good of a game mode to be left to die. Hire someone if volunteer work isn't panning out.

 

• I think a general consensus on what people enjoy to play may give some insight into what sG can manage with server ideas/clan gaming sessions.

[Siesan 1802]

dang, that's alot of positions that need filling.

[JMaFia 1317]

FUCK MY ASS
on a more serious note though, I grew up with this community, wouldn't leave it for anything else, even if fatb0y and junzou are in charge, I'm content with my childhood community.

Edited May 23, 2013 by JMaFia

[DarkPredator 1193]

I agree with Texian wholeheartedly on point 1.

 

sG is too quiet on finances. sG needs either  A. posting a monthly members only report on finances or B. posting a fully public one

 

one of the two, cause there are like 10 staff who know what is going on, and hundreds of members who dont

[Yürei 224]

Thanks for the update fatboy!

 

I agree with daileyy and then archy as well but towards ruffles

also ze just needs a new crowd to keep it filled but minigames doesn't seem that anyone plays on the server

Edited May 23, 2013 by Ghøst

[Daileyyy 835]

Holy shit bro, calm down with the dick sucking....

Didn't know being updated on some parts of all of this drama is considered dick sucking... The more you know.

[Illogical 1126]

On the topic of suggesting things, I'm not sure how all these would work out but they are just some suggestions.

 

Advertising: could be a number of things, banners on sites, doing top 100 server boards and hiking our ass to the top with votes, or even go back to good ole youtube videos and share em like crazy.

 

Minecraft: I'm sure most of you don't give a fuck about minecraft, but I feel we could draw in people that way. We could also start advertising this server more too, maybe some events to attract randoms ( drop parties, games, and what have you)

 

Another possibility, What if we brought in a console game? After all, thats how we (UV) started. 

Edited May 23, 2013 by Illogical

[Mufasa 325]

When I saw them crying I thought the sudden punishment was kinda harsh, but after seeing these screenshots lolololololol 

 

Most of you are cool and I plan to stick around TTT for awhile, any advice I got for the server is to keep gradually adding content (maps, fun weapons) every few months or w/e.

Edited May 24, 2013 by Mufasa

[Dyscivist 5686]

 

Another possibility, What if we brought in a console game? After all, thats how we (UV) started. 

 

Gaaaaaaaay.

[Illogical 1126]

Gaaaaaaaay.

You got any better ideas there, Mr. cool? 

[Dyscivist 5686]

You got any better ideas there, Mr. cool? 

 

I don't have ideas. I just shit on them.

[Prosak 683]

In my personal opinion as a guy who grew up in UV/sG, this has to be the best clan I've ever participated in. SiJ is just another shoot off clan that comes out every so often; Mitch is going to fuck that clan up as he is a unstable piece of shit. I have the texts on my phone to prove that much (easily one of the biggest mistakes I made to give him my number).

 

If staff wants to make the community better my ideas are the following:

 

1. WCS- way too popular to not try

 

2. No more first day SO's/Staff unless competent in coding and or management

 

3. Keep being the best damn community out there and dont let this needless drama deny us from having a good time!

Edited May 23, 2013 by Prosak

[drunkula 1635]

IF A WCS OR WAR 3 OPENS, HOLLA AT YA BOI! 

Nah but the staff pool is rather large, and it's rather confusing to say who does what.

A few more events would be cool (just saw the minigames one).

Have Sketch and Drunk capitalize :>

IMPROVING THE COMMUNITY ONE POST AT A TIME

[Illogical 1126]

 

1. WCS- way too popular to not try

 

 

 

 

QFT

Edited May 23, 2013 by Illogical

[Prosak 683]

IMPROVING THE COMMUNITY ONE POST AT A TIME