A question.

[W. MOFO 0]

Please only post if you have read my entire post. However, this is only a suggestion as I would consider it to be common sense.

"Is anyone aware if in the MOTD it makes mention of any "common sense" rules not specific rules just that they do indeed exist?"

I can not find such a reference in the MOTD.

And because I have been told it is annoying to ask question on the actual server during game play I was directed to post on the forums. The population of general players on the forums seems to be less concentrated and therefore less ideal for the purpose of the question at hand considering that the question at hand is in regard to "common sense" which would mean that any lay person should be able to answer the question without hesitation, as it is apparently common sense, and as such any commoner (rather than a regular/daily player) should be able to deduce what is common sense or not. Some of the supposed "common sense" rules that I have been informed of don’t seem so transparent so as to make them indeed common knowledge.

I think that at a very minimum there should be mention of "common sense" rules exist and the correct place for this would be in the MOTD I believe. Better yet a list of "common sense" rules would be more helpful for people whom do not play daily or even weekly as the rules seem to change on an almost weekly basis. Most of these changes seem to be in the form of the "common sense" rules which are mostly decided as far as I can see when an admin chooses to declare a rule a rule and therefore "common sense".

For the most part my reason for this query is because in the MOTD it says two things: (1) The rules are the rules. If it isn't here, it's not true. (2) Don't try exposing loopholes because you think it's cool.

For me, which I may be wrong, however, am always willing to do so (i.e. my grammar sucks) is that these "common sense" rules seem to be loopholes because they are not in fact mention in the MOTD nor is it even mentioned that they do exist.

I offer two definitions of common sense that I find applicable: (1)"The presence of mind and general caution and concern that the law imputes to all persons, i.e., sense everyone should have. Everyone owes a duty to use common sense. The breach of this duty may give rise to a cause of action." (2) " In postmodernism in general, common sense is considered a fiction created by those in power to convince the oppressed that ideology is simply the way things really are." The latter I find too appropriate too not include. I myself am a non-fiction fan, rather than the ambiguous and infinitely interpretable nature of fiction.

Also if we could have a serious discussion on this matter rather than senseless banter it would be most appreciated.

Funny ironical fact: Common Sense was a socialist magazine published in the United States between 1932 and 1946

[iAlwaysFail 799]

Thank you for bringing your "simple question" up on here instead of annoying some of the players and most of the admins on jailbreak.

[W. MOFO 0]

iAlwaysFail, It was actually titled "A question" not a "simple question". Theres nothing really simple about it, it is actually quite confusing to me thus the reason for my question and rather lengthy outline regarding said question.

[Oracion 35]

Essentially what I've been trying to tell you before with the 'common sense' stuff is this. Just because it doesn't say it specifically, you should have the sense to know that if something happens from the warden or admins, it's for a reason. I heard someone tell me that if warden grants someone solitary, you said you can kill them cause it's 'not legit'. If that is true, why would you do that? You can't have favoritism, so if he's doing it it should be from an LR freekill, or from an LR in general.

Also, if I put everything down in that rulebook, it'd double up again and we'd be back at square one with the long, unclear and overexaggerated rule set we had a year ago, and it wasn't fun, and it allowed for far more exploitation in the server. Other's will come in here and explain stuff further, I'm sure.

[W. MOFO 0]

This: "heard someone tell me that if warden grants someone solitary, you said you can kill them cause it's 'not legit'. If that is true, why would you do that? You can't have favoritism, so if he's doing it it should be from an LR freekill, or from an LR in general."

I believe i said the only thing granted in the MOTD for someone being freekilled on an LR is that they get soli NR. Nothing else as thats the only thing i saw last time i check the MOTD grants. Anything besides solitary nr for a LR freekill is not legit and there for would not be a freekill. That is my understanding. However you have said some other things that go underneath the common sense clause that may be granted to someone free killed on an LR. My entire reason for the original question is to clear up matters like this one. Its in the MOTD and nothing else is im not sure how thats not common sense to follow what is in the MOTD.

[blob 1985]

If he gets freekilled on his LR, and he tells me what he wants and it is within reason, I'll step in and give him the LR. (solo freeday, soli, zfds)

[W. MOFO 0]

That i presume blob is because it is a common sense rule? It seems more or less favortism as you are deciding what is "reasonable" rather , than a defined limit i.e. Only zfd, soli, freeday, fill in the blank, but make it concrete, OTHERWISE it would seem if its up to your interpertation of whats reasonable that seems like favortism not common sense because it is obvious people have certain people they like more or less than others and thus judgement in this type of decision would be biased unless a concrete definition of what is exceptable for a freekill durring an LR is decided. Thus the MOTD is the most logical common sense judgement as it lacks bias and is concrete.

[Oracion 35]

That i presume blob is because it is a common sense rule? It seems more or less favortism as you are deciding what is "reasonable" rather , than a defined limit i.e. Only zfd, soli, freeday, fill in the blank, but make it concrete, OTHERWISE it would seem if its up to your interpertation of whats reasonable that seems like favortism not common sense because it is obvious people have certain people they like more or less than others and thus judgement in this type of decision would be biased unless a concrete definition of what is exceptable for a freekill durring an LR is decided. Thus the MOTD is the most logical common sense judgement as it lacks bias and is concrete.

So wait, because you don't agree with it, I should put in every option of what is acceptable? No thanks.

If someone gets killed during a personal ZFD in a round, of course I'll respawn them once or twice if someone FK's them and it lets me get rid of the morons too. I don't see why this is a huge deal when admin discretion is used to HELP the person who just got FK'ed on their LR.

[blob 1985]

That i presume blob is because it is a common sense rule? It seems more or less favortism as you are deciding what is "reasonable" rather , than a defined limit i.e. Only zfd, soli, freeday, fill in the blank, but make it concrete, OTHERWISE it would seem if its up to your interpertation of whats reasonable that seems like favortism not common sense because it is obvious people have certain people they like more or less than others and thus judgement in this type of decision would be biased unless a concrete definition of what is exceptable for a freekill durring an LR is decided. Thus the MOTD is the most logical common sense judgement as it lacks bias and is concrete.

Favoritism? The player made it through the 15 min round to be freekilled on his LR and won't get exactly what they want. Reasonable is not very arbitrary either, those 3 are very solid LRs and I don't think any thing else would be considered reasonable. If you feel like an admin is giving an unreasonable LR then demo/screenshot it and post it here.

It is general common sense to give a freekilled LR terrorist a common sense LR.

[W. MOFO 0]

"So wait, because you don't agree with it, I should put in every option of what is acceptable?"

Dont agree with what? Are you refering to the freekilling on an LR and the appropriate actions to be taken NR as far as a fair and reasonable action? I dont follow maybe im dumb but yes i guess i dont in general agree with anything being in the bounds of reasonability. As far as putting EVERYTHING written down i think blob hit the nail on the head, a zfd, freeday, or soli are the only reasonable actions. As far as the motd thus far contains only a ZFD, so adding two more legit options.... yeah that doesnt seem like that much work to be done. Im not sure why you think i would suggest that there be a list of 10 or 20+ reasonable lr's after a freekill on an lr... Blobs answer seems very reasonable and not that time consuming to add to the MOTD.

[Oracion 35]

"So wait, because you don't agree with it, I should put in every option of what is acceptable?"

Dont agree with what? Are you refering to the freekilling on an LR and the appropriate actions to be taken NR as far as a fair and reasonable action? I dont follow maybe im dumb but yes i guess i dont in general agree with anything being in the bounds of reasonability. As far as putting EVERYTHING written down i think blob hit the nail on the head, a zfd, freeday, or soli are the only reasonable actions. As far as the motd thus far contains only a ZFD, so adding two more legit options.... yeah that doesnt seem like that much work to be done. Im not sure why you think i would suggest that there be a list of 10 or 20+ reasonable lr's after a freekill on an lr... Blobs answer seems very reasonable and not that time consuming to add to the MOTD.

The way you have talked in game, you make it sound like everything is vague. That is what I'm referring to as to what I'm not adding in: everything you find vague.

As to what admins can do, I don't see it as something to add in either. If an admin respawns him to give him another chance at his LR, they can do it. It's not that huge of a deal.

[W. MOFO 0]

Oracion follow what im typing. I was refering to the nr solutions not respawns. And i again i dont find it that difficult to add two other options for NR solutions to the motd.

Oracion this is what i was refering to in blobs post "Reasonable is not very arbitrary either, those 3 are very solid LRs and I don't think any thing else would be considered reasonable.

[Dojima 7619]

For the most part my reason for this query is because in the MOTD it says two things: (1) The rules are the rules. If it isn't here, it's not true. (2) Don't try exposing loopholes because you think it's cool.

This is really the salient issue here.

As for writing the MOTD to include everything, I could probably rewrite it to include everything and have it be shorter than it currently is...not that I'm offering.

[Oracion 35]

Oracion follow what im typing. I was refering to the nr solutions not respawns. And i again i dont find it that difficult to add two other options for NR solutions to the motd.

I'm simply going off your complaints that everyone is telling me, which is everything apparently.

[W. MOFO 0]

Oracion perhaps you should disregard second hand (possibly altered/opinionated) quotes from other players about what i say in game and read my original post in this thread and go from there.

[Oracion 35]

Oracion perhaps you should disregard second hand (possibly altered/opinionated) quotes from other players about what i say in game and read my original post in this thread and go from there.

Right, because when I came in one morning and discussed it with you for about 30 minutes, you weren't whining about almost everything. Right.

How about you do this for me right here and right now and list everything that you think is wrong and I'll comment on it since I know you have more issues with things.

[W. MOFO 0]

How about we not deviate from the intended topic and we focus on the original post if i have further complaints i will make further posts regarding those complaints.

And again follow what im typing i was talking about what other people were supposedly saying because thats what you suggested in your post. Quote "I'm simply going off your complaints that everyone is telling me". As for the 30 minute talk we had regardling my laundry list of complaints how about it was more like 5 mins and i believe at max i ask three questions one was in regard to freekills durring an lr and resulting solutions nr which should be solved now, another regarding zombie free day lr's where in the motd it says no ct shall be unreachable of a zombie, The motd is VAGUE and only says durring a zombie freeday prossumably this extends to an LR zfd even iif there is only one T on a ZFD, otherwise it would be regarded as a special LR and therefore themax time limit is 3 minutes. Another question would be regarding using the words "nagga" because thats finding a loophole for using the N word and we all know it.

However id appreciate it if you would focus on the original topic of the common sense rules mostly just put something in the MOTD saying that Common sense rules are in effect, and possible but i have very little hope for this perhaps a few of these not so common "common sense rules" outlined just a little maybe a smidge.

[Oracion 35]

And again follow what im typing i was talking about what other people were supposedly saying because thats what you suggested in your post. Quote "I'm simply going off your complaints that everyone is telling me". As for the 30 minute talk we had regardling my laundry list of complaints how about it was more like 5 mins and i believe at max i ask three questions

You asked the same thing over and over, even after me telling you the answers.

one was in regard to freekills durring an lr and resulting solutions nr which should be solved now

If you freekill someone in LR, you get restricted, simple. Usually the next round they get soli. If the LR is granted anyway next round, it follows (personal ZFD, shower day, etc). If the person is killed during their LR on that round, the person that did it gets restricted. If an admin respawns them, then it's probably that 'common sense' that someone could do to continue to grant them the LR.

another regarding zombie free day lr's where in the motd it says no ct shall be unreachable of a zombie, The motd is VAGUE and only says durring a zombie freeday prossumably this extends to an LR zfd even iif there is only one T on a ZFD, otherwise it would be regarded as a special LR and therefore themax time limit is 3 minutes.

Personal LR's don't have to follow the rules specifically. The T has to follow the bound of the LR, but to make all the CT's get down from everywhere would make it inconvenient for the round for a freeday for ONE terrorist, who can still cause a ton of havoc. Again, never been an issue with it at all.

Another question would be regarding using the words "nagga" because thats finding a loophole for using the N word and we all know it.

We already don't allow words that are close enough, but are used in context of the racist word (as in Nigers instead of the N word, etc).

However id appreciate it if you would focus on the original topic of the common sense rules mostly just put something in the MOTD saying that Common sense rules are in effect, and possible but i have very little hope for this perhaps a few of these not so common "common sense rules" outlined just a little maybe a smidge.

If I already have a statement saying "use your common sense" wouldn't that already imply that you should use that sense for decisions/actions that are made? Such as respawns for FK'ed T's in LR and other things? I'd like to think so. Again, never had an issue with this statement until you brought it up, and apparently are not using it for things that are very simple.

[W. MOFO 0]

KK im done im not gonna say shit any more about anything. Also i guess i didnt see the "use your common sense" in the motd hoever id still like to see some examples of what the common sense rules are BUTTTTTTTT....... im done and i refuse to debate this anymore infact i concide you have won. YAY. well actually mostly i cant follow half the shit you answer my questions with because you dont answer them directly you kinda deviate and go off on your own route to vaguely ( im liking that word more and more) answer them. Also you are just one angry grumpy man whenever you come on JB its always you complaining about some shit about how people dont follow the rules or dont know them or in general everyone fails but you and you hog wardeb because you assert every other CT fails at giving orders you have even done invalid votes to embolden this claim. SO yeah im done you win you are great.

And this quote is just too perfect for you, ill leave it here in case you didnt bother to read my post.

" In postmodernism in general, common sense is considered a fiction created by those in power to convince the oppressed that ideology is simply the way things really are."

[Oracion 35]

KK im done im not gonna say shit any more about anything. Also i guess i didnt see the "use your common sense" in the motd hoever id still like to see some examples of what the common sense rules are BUTTTTTTTT....... im done and i refuse to debate this anymore infact i concide you have won. YAY.

I don't know how clear you want me to be, but if I did I think I'd really be insulting people.

T gets freekilled while typing out LR? COMMON SENSE ANSWER: Respawn/grant soli and restrict CT.

T doesn't get LR next round due to delays/rebellers? COMMON SENSE ANSWER: Give it the round after.

T gets killed during LR? COMMON SENSE ANSWER: Restrict the guy that FK'ed him and respawn/give him soli the next round.

Seriously. I know JB doesn't bring in the brightest, but come on. This should be something simple for everyone, especially people who have admin.

well actually mostly i cant follow half the shit you answer my questions with because you dont answer them directly you kinda deviate and go off on your own route to vaguely ( im liking that word more and more) answer them.

How am I vaguely answering things, when you can't even explain your points without being hypocritical? You're fighting yourself more than me in this debate.

Also you are just one angry grumpy man whenever you come on JB its always you complaining about some shit about how people dont follow the rules or dont know them or in general everyone fails but you and you hog wardeb because you assert every other CT fails at giving orders you have even done invalid votes to embolden this claim. SO yeah im done you win you are great.

Yes, because I don't usually go "Oh, so&so, go ahead and take it" if someone else tries to get warden if I was warden for a round or two and I always scream on the mic at the start to get warden. Damn, you got me /sarcasmoff

I know I've given some wrong orders before too, but you sound just like a lot of T's that play: They get tricked, they think it's a freekill. Listen up and you may not have an issue.

Get killed cause you weren't listening? COMMON SENSE ANSWER: Listen better.

As to your quote, your inability to pick up to the standards of others that have used logical and common sense is no one's fault but your own. You want to be cool with a quote, at least have the intellect to use it. This isn't Nazi Germany, it's Jail-fucking-break. Grow up and get over your whine fest over something that isn't an issue. Everyone is sick of hearing it.

[Dyscivist 5686]

And this quote is just too perfect for you, ill leave it here in case you didnt bother to read my post.

" In postmodernism in general, common sense is considered a fiction created by those in power to convince the oppressed that ideology is simply the way things really are."

I'll leave a quote for you, my friend.

"Relating postmodernism to Jailbreak makes no sense and makes you look like a pseudo-intellectual tryhard dumbass."

[wind.exe 244]

"Relating postmodernism to Jailbreak makes no sense and makes you look like a pseudo-intellectual tryhard dumbass."

Lmao that quote is win btw.

Back to the topic, if you really want to nitpick every rule in a, how to say this, video game, then it must be interesting to meet you in real life as you try to pull apart anything someone tells you. If you have this much a problem with the rules, you can just leave, pretty simple. We deal with your questions like this every day because its not in the MOTD. If you seriously have this big a problem with it, then just leave, like honestly, it gets annoying when you want to nitpick any god damn rule that we have. Do we do stuff not in the motd, of course because they usually benefit the person in a good way. If you really want to get all technical you might as well go to the eGO server where they have they have a guideline for everything.

[W. MOFO 0]

I still concede ya you guys win. However i still would like to make just a few points.

[1] I dont think half of the 7 total posters here even read the initial post or the topic would not have deviated from the original point "I already have a statement saying "use your common sense" wouldn't that already imply that you should use that sense for decisions/actions that are made?" -Oracion. All i was asking is where is this statement to be found as of today i cant find it anywhere in the MOTD. Thats the base of this post.

[2] Yes, this is a video GAME, games have rules, thats what makes them logical. Clearly stating rules makes the game run smoothly, i would guarantee less complaints if more of these rules (mostly the common sense ones) were stated with more clarity. Im not saying rigidity, im saying CLARITY.

[3] Yeah Oracion i still really have a hard time following most of your posts one more quote "How am I vaguely answering things, when you can't even explain your points without being hypocritical? You're fighting yourself more than me in this debate." I dont follow this im not sure how im being hypocritical? And im not fighting you. Thats just silly and sort of proves that you have some sort of ego distortion going on. Im simply inquiring about these damned common sense rules and why they arnt even mention in the MOTD for any lay person to read. Plus if you want to talk about hypocrisy just read the big bold Red letters at the beginning of the MOTD "The rules are the rules. If it isn't here, it's not true. Don't try exposing loopholes because you think it's cool." Im not trying to expose loopholes im trying to tie a fucking knot in them so there is no ambiguity.(refer to #2 for clarification)

[4] Dyscivist my "pseudo-intellectual tryhard dumbass" wasnt relating postmodernism to JB i was relating it to the "common sense" rules which is simply a modality of the system (JB) oh no more big words... Anyways in regards to why i chose those quotes i just googled common sense and found two quotes that seemed to fit the latter of the two was just too perfect for describing the unrepresented rules that start popping up and are made up with the firm backing of oh its "common sense" Further more, and maybe im wrong here, but i think this definition quite apply describes the analogy, "Compact Oxford English Dictionary: "a style and concept in the arts characterized by distrust of theories and ideologies and by the drawing of attention to conventions." And yeah i really have no problem with most of what your Saying regarding the common sense actions, however, i think it is unfair to have them be absent from the MOTD which if im not mistaken is the guide for the fucking game,and i repeatedly see people dozens of times per day say, "READ THE MOTD BEFORE YOU START MAKING SHIT UP" Just seems like its too easy for an admin to justify just about anything by saying oh its common sense.

Bring me to point [5] are there never bans on this server? Do admins never fuck up and abuse admin? Do they never get banned as well? The answer to all of those questions is HELL FUCKING NO, admins and people in general fuck up all the time and get banned restricted etc. Again refer to #2 for greater clarification on the importance of, well GREATER CLARIFICATION of the rules.

[6] I originally started playing this game 6 months ago because it was intriguing to play and watch the interactions among players and the dynamic of these interactions. For example the overwhelming unwillingness of coordinated rebellions, small things happen from time to time but im talking large just pure numbers type empowerment. Largely i think its do to the HLstatx and people afraid of losing there precious position on the server. Or the converse where CT warden wills create the most complicated orders in hopes of killing off 95% of the T's for massive point boosts ie Alaska. Or just random bullshit among players who are more liked than others get away with COMMON SENSE shit that would get a squeaky voiced 14 year old banned in a second like when 2 ct's decided to play nade temptation and got away with it for at least 3 rounds in a row with out any admin saying shit on a fully packed night, now thats favorfuckingtism. Whats more intriguing is the indulgence in blatantly homosexual overtones that far exceed any greater than random probability in a real world situation absent of the mask that is the internet. Any of these things could be subject to a full on peer reviewed sociology or psychology journal and i wouldotn't be surprised if there were some sort of Video game journal of Psychology that e a field day with the sG JailBreak server for a the sheer countless possible studies. Ive even gone as far as to imagine the power of the medium and the age group (12-18y/o players mostly) where trivia could instead of "what type of grain grows in paddies?" type questions there could be basic geometry, literature, chemistry, biology, etc questions with powerful insensitive (automatic LR eligibility etc) to perhaps develop a more intelligent player base or at least provide someone with some sort of interesting conversation piece at the family dinner table and there parents will go wow where the fuck did you learn that the occipital region of the brain if exposed to blunt trauma would result in temporary blindness! and they will say "playing counter strike". But i suppose rice paddies are educational enough and people would rather have some trivia to kill five of there team mates than a disco day for themselves with an automatic chance for LR.. I digress, my point is the potential for this servers influence over a youths life far exceeds most peoples expectations and furthermore the converse of a the equation is true far to much rage from 17 year old pricks picking on a 12 year old over the internet is just toooo much fun man!

So [7] I could care less of what you peoples ultimate opinion of me is because well it would just be silly to think i am a King of the server or a pseudo intellectual kill whore die hard fag (Hey i actually have seen all 7 seasons of The Gilmore Girls, great show and ultimately a huge pussy magnet too) but enough of my e-penis its too big anyways. I promise no more QQing from me. But ill still be around and all you haters can go ahead and hate. I enjoy playing the game regardless of the, well insert any adjective and a noun it will probably fit, I just enjoy life too much to ultimately be dissuaded by a bunch of immature illogical boy's.

Oh and dont forget Oracion won the battle and the war, He is God, but im an atheist when it comes to video games and an agnostic when it comes to more serious matters.

[Oracion 35]

[1] I dont think half of the 7 total posters here even read the initial post or the topic would not have deviated from the original point "I already have a statement saying "use your common sense" wouldn't that already imply that you should use that sense for decisions/actions that are made?" -Oracion. All i was asking is where is this statement to be found as of today i cant find it anywhere in the MOTD. Thats the base of this post.

Should be at the top of the MOTD unless it got editted out sometime before and I didn't even notice. Even then, should I really have to write it down so you can tap into that common sense knowledge? It should be obvious yet again that you should use it.

[2] Yes, this is a video GAME, games have rules, thats what makes them logical. Clearly stating rules makes the game run smoothly, i would guarantee less complaints if more of these rules (mostly the common sense ones) were stated with more clarity. Im not saying rigidity, im saying CLARITY.

Again, you're the only one complaining.

[3] Yeah Oracion i still really have a hard time following most of your posts one more quote "How am I vaguely answering things, when you can't even explain your points without being hypocritical? You're fighting yourself more than me in this debate." I dont follow this im not sure how im being hypocritical? And im not fighting you. Thats just silly and sort of proves that you have some sort of ego distortion going on. Im simply inquiring about these damned common sense rules and why they arnt even mention in the MOTD for any lay person to read. Plus if you want to talk about hypocrisy just read the big bold Red letters at the beginning of the MOTD "The rules are the rules. If it isn't here, it's not true. Don't try exposing loopholes because you think it's cool." Im not trying to expose loopholes im trying to tie a fucking knot in them so there is no ambiguity.(refer to #2 for clarification)

No ego distortion, you're just saying the worst things that are going against your point. You said earlier that giving solitary to a FK'ed T isn't in the rules, thus it shouldn't happen. Seriously, are you really going to argue if the warden does that, or if the admin respawns them to complete the LR? I see no reason why it would even be an issue.

And yes, the rules are the rules, but give me a break. You're honestly going to say "NO HE CANT BE RESPAWNED CAUSE THE TEXT DOESNT SAY ITS LEGIT THUS IT MUST NOT BE ALLOWED" when we're trying to make it fair for them with another option? Again, if I feel like writing it down to clarify for your mind to understand the various options, I'll do that, but I'm not cause this shouldn't be an issue, yet again.

Just seems like its too easy for an admin to justify just about anything by saying oh its common sense.

Dude, really? I really do want to hear what ISN'T common sense to you, cause I'm convinced all you're doing is whining over decisions other admins have done that didn't work in your favor.

Bring me to point [5] are there never bans on this server? Do admins never fuck up and abuse admin? Do they never get banned as well? The answer to all of those questions is HELL FUCKING NO, admins and people in general fuck up all the time and get banned restricted etc. Again refer to #2 for greater clarification on the importance of, well GREATER CLARIFICATION of the rules.

Yes, because we've obviously had a lot of issues with rules in the past three months since I last modded it. Right. Again, a personal problem you're bugging everyone about in game only.

[6] Random bullshit

People play as they want. Again, the common sense is a personal issue to you alone. I'm still not seeing why this is hard for you to grasp. Give me your experiences with this lack of sense you've seen.

So [7] I could care less of what you peoples ultimate opinion of me is because well it would just be silly to think i am a King of the server or a pseudo intellectual kill whore die hard fag (Hey i actually have seen all 7 seasons of The Gilmore Girls, great show and ultimately a huge pussy magnet too) but enough of my e-penis its too big anyways. I promise no more QQing from me. But ill still be around and all you haters can go ahead and hate. I enjoy playing the game regardless of the, well insert any adjective and a noun it will probably fit, I just enjoy life too much to ultimately be dissuaded by a bunch of immature illogical boy's.

Oh and dont forget Oracion won the battle and the war, He is God, but im an atheist when it comes to video games and an agnostic when it comes to more serious matters.

I'm just going to pass this on now, but since you've decided to just babble on for three days in game and bother all the admins (which yes, they all have said you keep going on and on about this junk for no reason) and I trust them moreso than you, I've told them just to mute you if you start up again. Seriously, you're not helping JB with your talk about nothing that everyone else can understand, but you cannot.

This pic just shows why you're ignorant. Seriously, get out if you don't even understand socialism.

[Meowmix 20]

Off topic but..

I am going to say this and if i get banned idc.. But Mofo do you have a life? You sit here complaining about every single little thing and then u wonder why people do not like you nor listen too you.. You ask the admins many times over and over the same questions & we are sick and tired of listing to you QQ about everything. I am speaking on behalf of half the admins that can not stand you anymore. Grow up, its a game, its not ur life. You take things way out of hand. You say people "admin abuse" Like grow up. If u do not like all how they run the servers or us then like wind said GTFO and go play for EGO. WE do do need someone telling admins how to run admin and how to read motd.. Every single day u QQ about something, Either its me, some other admin or the motd. GROW UP. We are sick and tired of hearing you QQ about everything.. Yes i might just be some random admin / person but i also can not stand hearing u anymore.. Either you play on jb and stop QQ about the motd or admins, or leave. Its simple. You complained about me & others but look at ur self. Maybe u need to see the person YOU are before u talk about others.

Sorry brah but truth be told..

Anyways back on topic now. READ what Oracion said. /end.