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[driz 2626]

I am no longer donating to this site due to the immature managers among it:

, this is a gaming website. Not a goddamn anti-piracy website. I wasn't asked about my stance on piracy when I got this title. Nor were any of the other staff members. BAWWW to microsoft all you want. I don't care. I was stating what the rules say. No one posted a link to a torrent. That would happen to be both against the rules and illegal. However, me saying "blah blah blah torrented XP." is completely within the confines of our current rules. Feel free to keep up the failtrolling with me. I'm pretty sure I'll win.

And Driz, I pay for things if I think they deserve my money. Why do you think I've boughten nearly every game ever produced by Valve ever? Because they're great. If I wouldn't have gotten HL2 in the package with CSS, would I have torrented it? No. Because it's well worth my cash.

Thread locked. Go take your QQ somewhere else.

You want to delete a thread because it was reported to microsoft... grow some fucking balls.

Clay talks shit to me while i merely try to enforce rules that are CLEARLY spelled out for the forums. If this forum does not support the rules, then change them. It's easy. Piracy is piracy, clay's comments on it made absolutely no sense, but his obvious misuse of the English language (he boughten some stuff ya'all) clearly show his age and intelligence. My subscription is ended until this type of bullshit is dealt with.

Also, Clay, you won't ever win, Im more intelligent, more qualified, and just a better all around person. so try to be highhanded, you fail. My credentials speak for themselves. I can also back up ALL of my credentials, what can you say?

If the forum admins want to support saying "pirate this software" and consider it ok because a link wasn't posted, fine. make that clear in the rules; it just means you lose my 15/mo.

To: piracy@microsoft.com

From: wl@us.army.mil

Subject: MSDN Universal Member 1072842

Hello,

a forum group I belong to is suggesting to members that they download torrents of Windows 7. I attempted to dissuade them from this course of action, but senior admins supported it. The discussion is at http://www.joinuv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20267. I am wondering about the legality of this. The forum does not support piracy, but they support suggesting to members to search torrents. Is this acceptable behavior within the EULA? Thank you.

V/R

W. L.

CPT, FA24, SC

Telecommunications Engineer

82nd Airborne Division.

[ChosenOne2000 4440]

They already have the forum link. Clay is trying to hide evidence by sticking it in the trash section, no biggie.

http://www.joinuv.com/forums/showthread.php?p=257094#post257094.

[Crothers 0]

Driz,

I agree with you, the thread should not have been locked, and should have remained open and postable.

[driz 2626]

indeed, if there's no wrongdoing occurring keep it up...

My whole point is the rules currently state, nothing remotely close to piracy is allowed... if that's the case, what i said is backed up... if what clay says is true... adjust the rules to say "supporting piracy is ok as long as links aren't provided"

I will support whichever rules are set in motion for the duration of my stay in the community.

[Llethander 230]

a.) The thread was not deleted, it was was moved to a non-postable section of the forums. Do I agree with it? No, I don't. But it is still viewable and, therefore, I do not see why it is such a big deal.

b.) It's not against the law to suggest to someone that they could pirate software. Nobody provided the means to pirate the software, hence the reason Google is not liable for the "Results 1 - 10 of about 26,800,000 for windows torrent." that turns up merely by running a search for "Windows Torrents."

c.) Quit trolling.

I'm not issuing an infraction for trolling as I do not feel it's warranted at this point in time however I would like to ask that you refrain from any further trolling. And before you say "I's not troooooolling!"

Also, Clay, you won't ever win, Im more intelligent, more qualified, and just a better all around person. so try to be highhanded, you fail.

That is trolling.

Edit: Edited for ease of reading.

[apathy 1]

I don't think that was trolling it was a come-back. I'd have to agree with driz here. If the rules state something that people can mistake or misunderstand then change them but don't do it when a member of a little group gets pinned to the wall.

[driz 2626]

a.) The thread was not deleted, it was was moved to a non-postable section of the forums. Do I agree with it? No, I don't. But it is still viewable and, therefore, I do not see why it is such a big deal.

b.) It's not against the law to suggest to someone that they could pirate software. Nobody provided the means to pirate the software, hence the reason Google is not liable for the "Results 1 - 10 of about 26,800,000 for windows torrent." that turns up merely by running a search for "Windows Torrents."

c.) Quit trolling.

I'm not issuing an infraction for trolling as I do not feel it's warranted at this point in time however I would like to ask that you refrain from any further trolling. And before you say "I's not troooooolling!"

That is trolling.

Edit: Edited for ease of reading.

I agree, it is trolling, and it's completely true; and it was directly in response to his trolling me. facts are facts, and what i stated is true until he can prove otherwise.

you're also correct in that it isn't against the law to suggest criminal activites.. in fact, i can call my friends right now and suggest they goto someone, let's say Clay's, house and murder his whole family and I haven't broken any law... is it wrong? yes. Same if I say "go google for win7 torrent and use it, but don't pirate the software" uhm really? it's still suggesting someone do something illegal, which, according to the current posted forum rules, it not allowed.

We stated that the rules were being broken, which they were. You have no grounds to argue that. Legally, im sure the forum isn't liable, but it's been reported to Microsoft twice now, and we can allow their lawyers deal with that since the forum's moderators chose not to.

Also, google is frequently sued for what their search engine provides... a simple "google" of google lawsuit will show that... An organization is liable in the US for any content they provide. This is US law and not debatable outside of a court of appeals.

[ChosenOne2000 4440]

The thread was not deleted, it was was moved to a non-postable section of the forums. Do I agree with it? No, I don't. But it is still viewable and, therefore, I do not see why it is such a big deal.

DUDE IT WAS MOVE TO THE "TRASH CAN"

"A waste container is a container for temporarily storing waste, which is usually made out of metal or plastic. Common terms are dustbin, rubbish bin, litter bin, garbage can, trash can..." -wiki

lolwat?

[BlackStone 66]

Driz, you are by your own admission, a drunk, egocentric holier than thou militant man. This is truth.

[apathy 1]

Defiance do you ever have anything important to say?

[BlackStone 66]

If you had been here months ago, I had plenty of important things to say that got the community against P2.

[driz 2626]

Driz, you are by your own admission, a drunk, egocentric holier than thou militant man. This is truth.

I drink, but not to excess... i'm not sure how your comments are relevant... i'm not sure when i ever admitted to being egocentric, holier than thou, or militant... but if you'd like to post links, I will gladly agree with your statements.

I don't lie, nor do i plan to, if i made a statement or took an action, i will either stand by it, or accept the repercussions of my actions. That is was maturity is all about.

Also, my post was about something serious that has been reported through legal means, please avoid threadjacking this one. Your comments aren't useful or helpful against or for... so please just stop and post somewhere else.

[ChosenOne2000 4440]

Driz, you are by your own admission, a drunk, egocentric holier than thou militant man. This is truth.

c.) Quit trolling.

I'm not issuing an infraction for trolling as I do not feel it's warranted at this point in time however I would like to ask that you refrain from any further trolling. And before you say "I's not troooooolling!"

Where's that infraction?

[apathy 1]

If you had been here months ago, I had plenty of important things to say that got the community against P2.

Back in the days when I was young I'm not a kid anymore

But some days I sit and wish I was a kid again.

[BlackStone 66]

I was in-game with you about an hour ago.

the words you said are[paraphrasing] "I told her I am much hotter than her" That's the Egocentric.

Your Holier than Thou attitude is shown every time you post.

Militant, you and Chosen basically created a recruitment thread for the military ousting all negative comments.

[apathy 1]

I was in-game with you about an hour ago.

the words you said are[paraphrasing] "I told her I am much hotter than her" That's the Egocentric.

Your Holier than Thou attitude is shown every time you post.

Militant, you and Chosen basically created a recruitment thread for the military ousting all negative comments.

No they had Q & A thread

[dankfrank 0]

I'm not issuing an infraction for trolling as I do not feel it's warranted at this point in time however I would like to ask that you refrain from any further trolling. And before you say "I's not troooooolling!

Where's that infraction?

he said he wasent give you one

learn to read carefully

[Llethander 230]

I agree, it is trolling, and it's completely true; and it was directly in response to his trolling me. facts are facts, and what i stated is true until he can prove otherwise.

you're also correct in that it isn't against the law to suggest criminal activites.. in fact, i can call my friends right now and suggest they goto someone, let's say Clay's, house and murder his whole family and I haven't broken any law... is it wrong? yes. Same if I say "go google for win7 torrent and use it, but don't pirate the software" uhm really? it's still suggesting someone do something illegal, which, according to the current posted forum rules, it not allowed.

We stated that the rules were being broken, which they were. You have no grounds to argue that. Legally, im sure the forum isn't liable, but it's been reported to Microsoft twice now, and we can allow their lawyers deal with that since the forum's moderators chose not to.

I believe what they said when they revised the rules to include torrenting was - not in these words - no torrents, links or trackers are to be posted on the forums as it would violate the Google ToU for the Google Advertisements we were supposed to have on the site.

With regards to the saying "You could always download Windows 7" as long as nothing is said about where it could be downloaded the statement is merely a generalization that anyone, anywhere at any time could have thought of. Just because it's stated doesn't make it illegal. What I mean is if I were to say "Hey, why would you buy Windows 7 when you could just torrent it" I am doing nothing wrong. If I were, however, to say "You can download Windows 7 from www.isuckbecauseipiratesoftware.com" THAT is another matter.

I'm not arguing the fact that you were stating rules were being broken. You have every right to say that you believe rules were being broken. On the same note, however, I have every right to say that I disagree and see no rules that were technically broken.

There is nothing that Microsofts lawyers can do unless someone is retarded enough to post information regarding a location at which someone can download the OS. Furthermore, legally they are required to send a DMCA - Cease & Decist order and allow a certain period of time for the recipient of such an order to comply before they could take any further legal action.

Edit: Defiance, enough spam.

[driz 2626]

I was in-game with you about an hour ago.

the words you said are[paraphrasing] "I told her I am much hotter than her" That's the Egocentric.

Your Holier than Thou attitude is shown every time you post.

Militant, you and Chosen basically created a recruitment thread for the military ousting all negative comments.

dude, we never denied any negatives in the military... you had a perspective that I provided corrections to multiple times. I also don't really give a shit if guys join the military or not... but if they do, i want them to know their options and get the best possible choices/options they can. That's what the military thread was about... recruiters and there to mislead you... we came in to tell the truth. You threadjacked it with ignorant comments. A prime example is the guy who thinks he will go from highschool to flightschool and i showed him the "real" path and offered to contact his recruiter AND post the phone recording for him. You consistently detract from purposeful threads, I'm asking you nicely to please desist on threadjacking here.

This thread is about why "i" specifically am ceasing my donations... it really has nothing to do with you or your opinions.

[BlackStone 66]

One more thing.

Since we currently do not have Google ads. The rule is currently invalid.

[apathy 1]

Instead of addressing the issue as to why a member of this community wants to leave and stop the donation you guys have started a flame war. I see why he has said that the maturity level of people is below what was expected. Why not try to come to a workable conclusion so that both parties are happy. No no we can’t do that lets back our friends up. Let point out that he hasn’t been here long enough to be in the clique

[driz 2626]

I believe what they said when they revised the rules to include torrenting was - not in these words - no torrents, links or trackers are to be posted on the forums as it would violate the Google ToU for the Google Advertisements we were supposed to have on the site.

With regards to the saying "You could always download Windows 7" as long as nothing is said about where it could be downloaded the statement is merely a generalization that anyone, anywhere at any time could have thought of. Just because it's stated doesn't make it illegal. What I mean is if I were to say "Hey, why would you buy Windows 7 when you could just torrent it" I am doing nothing wrong. If I were, however, to say "You can download Windows 7 from www.isuckbecauseipiratesoftware.com" THAT is another matter.

I'm not arguing the fact that you were stating rules were being broken. You have every right to say that you believe rules were being broken. On the same note, however, I have every right to say that I disagree and see no rules that were technically broken.

There is nothing that Microsofts lawyers can do unless someone is retarded enough to post information regarding a location at which someone can download the OS. Furthermore, legally they are required to send a DMCA - Cease & Decist order and allow a certain period of time for the recipient of such an order to comply before they could take any further legal action.

When i posted my comment in the thread, I first clicked "rules" and copied/pasted the rule regarding warez... it states:

B. Threads must not contain any around, close, or directly to these topics:

---Warez

Saying "find a windows7 torrent" would be around/close to the topic of warez. If that rule is changed, i will stfu. until then, i dont see

no torrents, links or trackers are to be posted on the forums as it would violate the Google ToU for the Google Advertisements we were supposed to have on the site.

in the rules anywhere. I copied and pasted directly from the link.

You can disagree with me, i support that, and those type of discussions should immediately go to PM or ventrillo (im not in there, but i will boot windows and get in if needed) disagreements between admins should be kept in private, to not detract from the overall structure of the organization (business 101 anyone?)

You are also correct that MS can not do anything until they issue a DMCA C&D... should it come to that though? A mature community will prevent that type of action being necessitated by preventing the behavior.

I may be wrong, but I feel that Coinstar would prefer a preventative organization rather than a reactive... Getting heat from MS over some bullshit is really not what the community needs.

[ChosenOne2000 4440]

I was in-game with you about an hour ago.

the words you said are[paraphrasing] "I told her I am much hotter than her" That's the Egocentric.

Your Holier than Thou attitude is shown every time you post.

Militant, you and Chosen basically created a recruitment thread for the military ousting all negative comments.

Huh? recruitment? Dude, "I" don't even play America's Army. I just created a place people can ask questions and not get lied to by Army recruiters. Troll on dude....troll on.

[driz 2626]

Instead of addressing the issue as to why a member of this community wants to leave and stop the donation you guys have started a flame war. I see why he has said that the maturity level of people is below what was expected. Why not try to come to a workable conclusion so that both parties are happy. No no we can’t do that lets back our friends up. Let point out that he hasn’t been here long enough to be in the clique

I really appreciate your open-mindedness Apathy, with the comments from the L2 and above members, it's good to see that some don't just join the bandwagon.

[Llethander 230]

One more thing.

Since we currently do not have Google ads. The rule is currently invalid.

I disagree.

Until such a time as an announcement is made stating it is okay to post torrents once again I am going to say that torrents, links and trackers for pirated material is still disallowed on the forums.