Guy shot while handcuffed in California, riots going on.

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/07/BART.shooting/

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[Nitestalker 792]

Looks to me like the cop obviously shot the guy, and in no way did it look like he "Accidentally grabbed his gun instead" seeing how he pulled it out, pulled it away from the guy, and shot. and from the looks of it, the guy wasnt struggling any more than every guy who gets slammed face first by 3 cops...

[Clay 24]

What a douche. He deserves a nice big ramming of the... to put it as Superbad put it, "long dick of the law". That's horrible. What the hell was he thinking?

[Audiovox 6]

To me, it looks like it could be accidental, based off his stance when he fired and the way his left hand moved after the shot. I've seen plenty of times a cops gun has gone off accidentally while under pressure, and it's normally while drawing it from the holster, much like he did, looked like the left hand could have been what caused it. But it is very hard to tell. In any case, there was no need for a firearm given the circumstances, so he should be in at least a bit of trouble to say the least. But that's where the gun/tazer mix up can come into play. No telling what really happened, my brother is dead set he did it out of spite and even made an expression after the guy got shot of "that's what you get, dumb ass" Frankly, I do not see how any such assumption can be made given the quality of the vids provided. And it just wouldn't make sense to pull something like that right there in public view with all the people watching and commenting, so I lean more twords the accidental side. But as I stated before, there was no apparent reason for a firearm to start with, provided he didn't think it was his tazer.

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[Øpiate 30]

Ironically, this type of behavior will only contribute to profiling and prejudice by the police.

[Audiovox 6]

Of course, many of the vid descriptions on youtube are already off the wall. I've seen everything from "pig shoots man in back while cuffed" to "drunk cop shoots man" And it's his luck, or w/e you wish to call it, that of the three guys (a white looking guy, a Hispanic looking guy and the only black of the three right there(there was another black guy off to the side)) he shoots the black guy. I'ma be watching my back in lunch for a few weeks now, lots of talk, idiots running around and starting drama, being squirrely. Should be fun...

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EDIT: Also, you have to consider the fact that stereotypes exist for a reason, as do profiling and such. Not saying it's right, but the simple fact is, if they where not fighting or around other people prone to dumb shit, odds are that wouldn't have happened, at least not to them.

[bios 1]

I have never met cop I didn't want to see with a toe tag.

My question is this, the guy was cuffed, why did he have to pull his gun out anyways? He had him cuffed, not like he needed to pull a gun on him. This isn't Iraq, it's LA.

[Guest ShadySTDs]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fox.Bios @ Jan 9 2009, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I have never met cop I didn't want to see with a toe tag.

My question is this, the guy was cuffed, why did he have to pull his gun out anyways? He had him cuffed, not like he needed to pull a gun on him. This isn't Iraq, it's LA.

I am not one to call you out fox but what does it mater if it was in Iraq and/or LA. Its a life, all the same that was lost. I do not think the officer intended to shoot him. I honestly would have shoot maybe one or two in the crowd... They where out of hand, and the officers badly out numbered.

I think the officer should not be allowed to be in any police force again, but not charged with a crime.

But at least this makes more sense to talk about than the riots in America and Canada over Israel beating the shit (Rightfully) out of Hezbollah.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fox.Bios @ Jan 9 2009, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I have never met cop I didn't want to see with a toe tag.

My question is this, the guy was cuffed, why did he have to pull his gun out anyways? He had him cuffed, not like he needed to pull a gun on him. This isn't Iraq, it's LA.

That's where the tazer/gun mix up goes into question. Logically there was no real reason to pull a gun on the guy cuffed, unless he was preparing for any possible attack from outsiders, but the way he was focused on that single guy kinda rules that out. So either A ) He fucked up and though he pulled the tazer and shot thinking it would calm the guy down(or pulled the gun to assert authority over the guys standing close by, threatening the officers, trying to calm the situation and fucked up when he pulled it out with his left hand) or B ) He is seriously fucked up and did it in cold blood for whatever reason. But there is a common theme in my words, he fucked up in all the scenarios.

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[Succulent 0]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ShadySTD's @ Jan 9 2009, 02:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I honestly would have shoot maybe one or two in the crowd... They where out of hand, and the officers badly out numbered.

HUH?!?!?!

3 guys 3 cops...

[Arkane 0]

I really do hope this is accidental, because otherwise that is completely frightening; not to mention, the other two cops did nothing to react like a man was just killed. This would be the reason I never ride BART....

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@ Succulent I think he was referring to the guys that walked up while it was going on, three or four of them I believe and they just stood around within 10-15 feet at all times, they even walked right up to the cops in a way I would take as a threat. Not to mention there's no telling who's watching what's going on in the crowd, someone might know one of those guys or something, you never know.

@ Arkane Me too, but I won't go around acting scared all the time, I don't think all cops are like that if he did do it intentionally. Hell, one of my Sensei's is a lieutenant in the police force where I'm at, he is a good guy. Black too, for what it's worth, seeing as this is such a racial topic. And I still believe that if they were not out acting like dumb asses, that wouldn't have happened to them. Perhaps if you don't want to be seen in a certain light, you should get the hell away from it? If you hang out with shit, eventually, you will smell like it too. A lot of old sayings apply here.

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[Arkane 0]

While I love the cops in my hometown, I feel that most of the cops in the rest of the cities in the Bay Area (mainly in the East Bay) were not the best candidates to become officers. Where smaller cities can be more selective, it seems like Oakland, Hayward, etc really allows anyone to become a police officer and that really shows.

[fatb0y 1337]

I hate cops.

They always bring me grief, and they are fucking useless when i actually need them.

[BAZ8771 2]

I really think this couldve been accidental, because i dont think anybody could be THAT cold blooded as to shoot somebody execution style in front of a large crowd for no reason. I give this guy the benefit of the doubt, as he had a kid on the way and everything...

[bios 1]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ShadySTD's @ Jan 9 2009, 01:27 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

I am not one to call you out fox but what does it mater if it was in Iraq and/or LA. Its a life, all the same that was lost. I do not think the officer intended to shoot him. I honestly would have shoot maybe one or two in the crowd... They where out of hand, and the officers badly out numbered.

I think the officer should not be allowed to be in any police force again, but not charged with a crime.

But at least this makes more sense to talk about than the riots in America and Canada over Israel beating the shit (Rightfully) out of Hezbollah.

It does matter because my point was that the cop was in no real danger. He had no reason to pull his gun. I think cops need to wake up, cause people are getting tired of their bullshit. It's only a matter of time before it's shoot first and ask questions later. I have never had a good experience with cops. They should be doing what they were supposed to do, protect and serve, not persecute and harass.

[Mithra Panties 0]

You can't blame the shooting on "Tazer Mix Up" Tazers are required to be on the opposing hand hip.

Meaning if his was right handed it has to be on his left hip with the grip pointed forward, while his service pistol is on the right hip with the grip pointed back.

Its been like that since Tasers were given to police in almost ALL metropolitan areas. .

[Bob 38]

I found the actual footage of when it happened.

http://www.kaotic.com/5737_Unarmed-Man-Sho...-By-Police.html

warning may be considered 18+

[UnknownLegend 5480]

I watched this a lot the day it happened, but haven't read about it since... here's what I understood, according to the witness accounts:

He wasn't cuffed when he was shot-- they cuffed him after the fact.

The man was being incredibly cooperative, even to the point of telling his friends to calm down and obey the cops.

Officers shoved him down to the ground and waved a taser in front of his face, at which point he raised his hands and begged them not to taze him, that he had a 4 year old daughter at home.

One officer then began to detain him by pushing him on his stomach, straddling him, and then somehow discharging his weapon.

One officer, hearing the shot, turned around, shoved his colleague on the shoulder and was all like "WTF?" and the officer who shot him was all like "WTF, IDK!"

Other officers began confiscating cameras and cell phones to try and cover shit up.

Same shit, different day though. While it's painful to think about people that are meant to uphold the law executing people they are trying to detain, I'm not shocked. Hell, look at Sean Bell; all the officers that executed him were acquitted.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mithra Panties @ Jan 9 2009, 02:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

You can't blame the shooting on "Tazer Mix Up" Tazers are required to be on the opposing hand hip.

Meaning if his was right handed it has to be on his left hip with the grip pointed forward, while his service pistol is on the right hip with the grip pointed back.

Its been like that since Tasers were given to police in almost ALL metropolitan areas. .

That's what I thought too. Thanks for the confirmation Mithra. @ Bob I have a lot of link sup there, 2-3 of them are vids from diff angles n stuff, but haven't seen that angle yet, though it doesn't really show the shooting itself when the trigger was pulled, it does give a good view of what was happening on the other side, cept for the shaky part.

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[Nifer 1]

Why would you even pull out your fucking gun when everybody is handcuffed. (in my assumption i might be wrong)

They possibly cannot be a threat unless your fucking retarded.

Also why were the cops at the train station?

[UnknownLegend 5480]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nifer @ Jan 9 2009, 03:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Also why were the cops at the train station?

They were responding to an altercation.

[bios 1]

Ill reiterate my statement. The only good cop is a dead cop.

[Guest Fohacidal]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fox.Bios @ Jan 9 2009, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

Ill reiterate my statement. The only good cop is a dead cop.

Well.... thats extremely debatable

[Modwalker 0]

Not trying to make a racialism comment but 3 white guys 3 black guys. that one what guy had to been raciest because why would you shoot some one handcuffed. So yeah i believe that that cop was out to kill him you could see it in his eyes. It goes to show you that raciest people are still out here and hey this kinda stuff will happen a lot faster sooner.