why humanity

[Guest Fohacidal]

You can treat mental health disorders, as far as I know you can't cure them as of right now nor do i ever expect to be able to do that, due to the fact that the brain's development is a key part of it. We can't just rewrite a brain and turn it into what we know as a normal, healthy one. An overhaul in our mental healthcare system would not prevent them from having a "Do not sell to" tag on them, but would rather attach one to them while also helping them deal with the disorder itself. It's free will to take medicine, just because they're taking it doesn't mean they couldn't go off it at any point.

I was responding to GT saying healthcare isnt the solution, I never said its the be all end all of mental disorders and disabilities. He is arguing on the premise that the venue isnt entirely effective, that is far from the truth, the problem with healthcare is its accessibility.

[cookie eater 965]

This is terrible,

People are sick, just plain sick.

[Oreo 2073]

You can treat mental health disorders, as far as I know you can't cure them as of right now nor do i ever expect to be able to do that, due to the fact that the brain's development is a key part of it. We can't just rewrite a brain and turn it into what we know as a normal, healthy one. An overhaul in our mental healthcare system would not prevent them from having a "Do not sell to" tag on them, but would rather attach one to them while also helping them deal with the disorder itself. It's free will to take medicine, just because they're taking it doesn't mean they couldn't go off it at any point.

I was responding to GT saying healthcare isnt the solution, I never said its the be all end all of mental disorders and disabilities. He is arguing on the premise that the venue isnt entirely effective, that is far from the truth, the problem with healthcare is its accessibility.

Ahh, my mistake then, I misread that.

[Iherdcows 3419]

http://gizmodo.com/5968886/anonymous-attacks-westboro-baptist-church-over-sandy-hook-funeral-protest

[Oreo 2073]

Lawyers gonna lawyr

http://gizmodo.com/5...funeral-protest

LOL, they're doing so well at baiting people into lawsuits. Not surprised they're protesting this to be honest.

[Goldentongue 3616]

These sorts of crimes are generally perpetrated by middle class young men, usually Caucasians Stop pretending like if gun ownership were driven into a black market that they would have unchecked access to this black market. Not only is access to the market itself an issue, so is price. Supply plummets, demand goes up, the price will skyrocket. The availability of these weapons will be severely limited, not just for troubled teens but also for street criminals. As for the "criminalize guns and only criminals will have them" argument, this suddenly means we can better persecute people for the illegal possession of deadly weapons before a violent crime is even committed. Weapons effective for sport and home defense can still be legally owned by law abiding citizens.

And again, stop claiming I don't think improving the quality of mental healthcare is a solution. It's simply not an absolute fix and needs to be addressed in addition to other issues.

[Guest Fohacidal]

These sorts of crimes are generally perpetrated by middle class young men, usually Caucasians Stop pretending like if gun ownership were driven into a black market that they would have unchecked access to this black market. Not only is access to the market itself an issue, so is price. Supply plummets, demand goes up, the price will skyrocket. The availability of these weapons will be severely limited, not just for troubled teens but also for street criminals. As for the "criminalize guns and only criminals will have them" argument, this suddenly means we can better persecute people for the illegal possession of deadly weapons before a violent crime is even committed. Weapons effective for sport and home defense can still be legally owned by law abiding citizens.

And again, stop claiming I don't think improving the quality of mental healthcare is a solution. It's simply not an absolute fix and needs to be addressed in addition to other issues.

You are incredibly naive if you believe regulating weapons even more somehow means its going to get harder to get weapons illegally. Do I seriously have to cite yet AGAIN the complications that arose thanks to prohibition and the war on drugs? A lot of good those gun laws are doing in states that enforce them strictly.

[fatb0y 1337]

These sorts of crimes are generally perpetrated by middle class young men, usually Caucasians Stop pretending like if gun ownership were driven into a black market that they would have unchecked access to this black market. Not only is access to the market itself an issue, so is price. Supply plummets, demand goes up, the price will skyrocket. The availability of these weapons will be severely limited, not just for troubled teens but also for street criminals. As for the "criminalize guns and only criminals will have them" argument, this suddenly means we can better persecute people for the illegal possession of deadly weapons before a violent crime is even committed. Weapons effective for sport and home defense can still be legally owned by law abiding citizens.

And again, stop claiming I don't think improving the quality of mental healthcare is a solution. It's simply not an absolute fix and needs to be addressed in addition to other issues.

You are incredibly naive if you believe regulating weapons even more somehow means its going to get harder to get weapons illegally. Do I seriously have to cite yet AGAIN the complications that arose thanks to prohibition and the war on drugs? A lot of good those gun laws are doing in states that enforce them strictly.

Texas has some pretty damn lax gun regulations... when was the last time you heard of this type of incident? I mean shootings happen in Texas, but nothing like this or columbine.

[Guest Fohacidal]

These sorts of crimes are generally perpetrated by middle class young men, usually Caucasians Stop pretending like if gun ownership were driven into a black market that they would have unchecked access to this black market. Not only is access to the market itself an issue, so is price. Supply plummets, demand goes up, the price will skyrocket. The availability of these weapons will be severely limited, not just for troubled teens but also for street criminals. As for the "criminalize guns and only criminals will have them" argument, this suddenly means we can better persecute people for the illegal possession of deadly weapons before a violent crime is even committed. Weapons effective for sport and home defense can still be legally owned by law abiding citizens.

And again, stop claiming I don't think improving the quality of mental healthcare is a solution. It's simply not an absolute fix and needs to be addressed in addition to other issues.

You are incredibly naive if you believe regulating weapons even more somehow means its going to get harder to get weapons illegally. Do I seriously have to cite yet AGAIN the complications that arose thanks to prohibition and the war on drugs? A lot of good those gun laws are doing in states that enforce them strictly.

Texas has some pretty damn lax gun regulations... when was the last time you heard of this type of incident? I mean shootings happen in Texas, but nothing like this or columbine.

I can actually think of two others, and both were military related.

[Oreo 2073]

These sorts of crimes are generally perpetrated by middle class young men, usually Caucasians Stop pretending like if gun ownership were driven into a black market that they would have unchecked access to this black market. Not only is access to the market itself an issue, so is price. Supply plummets, demand goes up, the price will skyrocket. The availability of these weapons will be severely limited, not just for troubled teens but also for street criminals. As for the "criminalize guns and only criminals will have them" argument, this suddenly means we can better persecute people for the illegal possession of deadly weapons before a violent crime is even committed. Weapons effective for sport and home defense can still be legally owned by law abiding citizens.

And again, stop claiming I don't think improving the quality of mental healthcare is a solution. It's simply not an absolute fix and needs to be addressed in addition to other issues.

You are incredibly naive if you believe regulating weapons even more somehow means its going to get harder to get weapons illegally. Do I seriously have to cite yet AGAIN the complications that arose thanks to prohibition and the war on drugs? A lot of good those gun laws are doing in states that enforce them strictly.

Texas has some pretty damn lax gun regulations... when was the last time you heard of this type of incident? I mean shootings happen in Texas, but nothing like this or columbine.

I can actually think of two others, and both were military related.

To add onto this, we're forgetting the sniper guy in the 60's at UT, but that's probably too far back to really count with new laws and whatnot over the years.

The ironic thing about this is, it takes a giant shooting to occur for people to actually get riled up. Some old man could get shot down the street from you and you wouldn't care, but the second we hear it's 20+ schoolkids and teachers we immediately flip the fuck out on the issue. I mean, out of 300,000,000 people in the U.S., you're bound to have someone commit a crime of this nature every once in a while. It's always going to happen because people have the freedom and free will to do it, if someone wants a gun they're going to get one and if someone wants to shoot up some kindergarteners, they're going to do it. 3/4's of all guns used in the past 100 or so types of these shooting events, have been illegally obtained. He tried to purchase a gun and he refused to take a background check, more then likely because they wouldn't sell it to him with his medical issues. The 10 most violent states when it comes to homicide by guns are also some of the strictest in the country. Human decisions are what play a part in it, not the availibility of a gun. Legality of firearms isn't the issue and Foh is correct, cracking down on them will just be a waste of time and manpower. Instead we should focus on preventing them by actually helping the people who commit these crimes with their issues and problems so it never happens in the first place.

Edited December 17, 2012 by Oreo

[BlackStone 66]

These sorts of crimes are generally perpetrated by middle class young men, usually Caucasians Stop pretending like if gun ownership were driven into a black market that they would have unchecked access to this black market. Not only is access to the market itself an issue, so is price. Supply plummets, demand goes up, the price will skyrocket. The availability of these weapons will be severely limited, not just for troubled teens but also for street criminals. As for the "criminalize guns and only criminals will have them" argument, this suddenly means we can better persecute people for the illegal possession of deadly weapons before a violent crime is even committed. Weapons effective for sport and home defense can still be legally owned by law abiding citizens.

And again, stop claiming I don't think improving the quality of mental healthcare is a solution. It's simply not an absolute fix and needs to be addressed in addition to other issues.

You are incredibly naive if you believe regulating weapons even more somehow means its going to get harder to get weapons illegally. Do I seriously have to cite yet AGAIN the complications that arose thanks to prohibition and the war on drugs? A lot of good those gun laws are doing in states that enforce them strictly.

Texas has some pretty damn lax gun regulations... when was the last time you heard of this type of incident? I mean shootings happen in Texas, but nothing like this or columbine.

Ft Hood ring a bell?

[Fate 65]

These sorts of crimes are generally perpetrated by middle class young men, usually Caucasians

[Citation Needed] So middle class white people shouldn't have gun rights?

Stop pretending like if gun ownership were driven into a black market that they would have unchecked access to this black market.

What.

Not only is access to the market itself an issue, so is price. Supply plummets, demand goes up, the price will skyrocket.

People with a death wish won't give a fuck.

As for the "criminalize guns and only criminals will have them" argument, this suddenly means we can better persecute people for the illegal possession of deadly weapons before a violent crime is even committed.

Do you mean prosecute?

Weapons effective for sport and home defense can still be legally owned by law abiding citizens.

Okay good, I was worried for a second I wouldn't be able to go shoot my law abiding neighbors before they shoot me.

Edited December 18, 2012 by Fate

[fatb0y 1337]

These sorts of crimes are generally perpetrated by middle class young men, usually Caucasians Stop pretending like if gun ownership were driven into a black market that they would have unchecked access to this black market. Not only is access to the market itself an issue, so is price. Supply plummets, demand goes up, the price will skyrocket. The availability of these weapons will be severely limited, not just for troubled teens but also for street criminals. As for the "criminalize guns and only criminals will have them" argument, this suddenly means we can better persecute people for the illegal possession of deadly weapons before a violent crime is even committed. Weapons effective for sport and home defense can still be legally owned by law abiding citizens.

And again, stop claiming I don't think improving the quality of mental healthcare is a solution. It's simply not an absolute fix and needs to be addressed in addition to other issues.

You are incredibly naive if you believe regulating weapons even more somehow means its going to get harder to get weapons illegally. Do I seriously have to cite yet AGAIN the complications that arose thanks to prohibition and the war on drugs? A lot of good those gun laws are doing in states that enforce them strictly.

Texas has some pretty damn lax gun regulations... when was the last time you heard of this type of incident? I mean shootings happen in Texas, but nothing like this or columbine.

Ft Hood ring a bell?

I don't consider the Ft. Hood shooting to be similar to a school shooting. I probably should have worded my thing better.

Besides, Ft. Hood would be a poor example to use in terms of discussing gun regulations.

Edited December 18, 2012 by fatb0y

[ElectronicDrug 7496]

These sorts of crimes are generally perpetrated by middle class young men, usually Caucasians Stop pretending like if gun ownership were driven into a black market that they would have unchecked access to this black market. Not only is access to the market itself an issue, so is price. Supply plummets, demand goes up, the price will skyrocket. The availability of these weapons will be severely limited, not just for troubled teens but also for street criminals. As for the "criminalize guns and only criminals will have them" argument, this suddenly means we can better persecute people for the illegal possession of deadly weapons before a violent crime is even committed. Weapons effective for sport and home defense can still be legally owned by law abiding citizens.

And again, stop claiming I don't think improving the quality of mental healthcare is a solution. It's simply not an absolute fix and needs to be addressed in addition to other issues.

You are incredibly naive if you believe regulating weapons even more somehow means its going to get harder to get weapons illegally. Do I seriously have to cite yet AGAIN the complications that arose thanks to prohibition and the war on drugs? A lot of good those gun laws are doing in states that enforce them strictly.

Texas has some pretty damn lax gun regulations... when was the last time you heard of this type of incident? I mean shootings happen in Texas, but nothing like this or columbine.

Ft Hood ring a bell?

That's such a horrible example. Completely different circumstances than any other mass shooting.

Edited December 18, 2012 by ElectronicDrug

[Christmas 643]

These sorts of crimes are generally perpetrated by middle class young men, usually Caucasians Stop pretending like if gun ownership were driven into a black market that they would have unchecked access to this black market. Not only is access to the market itself an issue, so is price. Supply plummets, demand goes up, the price will skyrocket. The availability of these weapons will be severely limited, not just for troubled teens but also for street criminals. As for the "criminalize guns and only criminals will have them" argument, this suddenly means we can better persecute people for the illegal possession of deadly weapons before a violent crime is even committed. Weapons effective for sport and home defense can still be legally owned by law abiding citizens.

And again, stop claiming I don't think improving the quality of mental healthcare is a solution. It's simply not an absolute fix and needs to be addressed in addition to other issues.

You are incredibly naive if you believe regulating weapons even more somehow means its going to get harder to get weapons illegally. Do I seriously have to cite yet AGAIN the complications that arose thanks to prohibition and the war on drugs? A lot of good those gun laws are doing in states that enforce them strictly.

Texas has some pretty damn lax gun regulations... when was the last time you heard of this type of incident? I mean shootings happen in Texas, but nothing like this or columbine.

I can actually think of two others, and both were military related.

To add onto this, we're forgetting the sniper guy in the 60's at UT, but that's probably too far back to really count with new laws and whatnot over the years.

The ironic thing about this is, it takes a giant shooting to occur for people to actually get riled up. Some old man could get shot down the street from you and you wouldn't care, but the second we hear it's 20+ schoolkids and teachers we immediately flip the fuck out on the issue. I mean, out of 300,000,000 people in the U.S., you're bound to have someone commit a crime of this nature every once in a while. It's always going to happen because people have the freedom and free will to do it, if someone wants a gun they're going to get one and if someone wants to shoot up some kindergarteners, they're going to do it. 3/4's of all guns used in the past 100 or so types of these shooting events, have been illegally obtained. He tried to purchase a gun and he refused to take a background check, more then likely because they wouldn't sell it to him with his medical issues. The 10 most violent states when it comes to homicide by guns are also some of the strictest in the country. Human decisions are what play a part in it, not the availibility of a gun. Legality of firearms isn't the issue and Foh is correct, cracking down on them will just be a waste of time and manpower. Instead we should focus on preventing them by actually helping the people who commit these crimes with their issues and problems so it never happens in the first place.

People keep saying this, but I have yet to see any documentation that supports this. Honestly, I'm curious as to if this is factual or not.

Edited December 18, 2012 by Christmas

[Guest Fohacidal]

These sorts of crimes are generally perpetrated by middle class young men, usually Caucasians Stop pretending like if gun ownership were driven into a black market that they would have unchecked access to this black market. Not only is access to the market itself an issue, so is price. Supply plummets, demand goes up, the price will skyrocket. The availability of these weapons will be severely limited, not just for troubled teens but also for street criminals. As for the "criminalize guns and only criminals will have them" argument, this suddenly means we can better persecute people for the illegal possession of deadly weapons before a violent crime is even committed. Weapons effective for sport and home defense can still be legally owned by law abiding citizens.

And again, stop claiming I don't think improving the quality of mental healthcare is a solution. It's simply not an absolute fix and needs to be addressed in addition to other issues.

You are incredibly naive if you believe regulating weapons even more somehow means its going to get harder to get weapons illegally. Do I seriously have to cite yet AGAIN the complications that arose thanks to prohibition and the war on drugs? A lot of good those gun laws are doing in states that enforce them strictly.

Texas has some pretty damn lax gun regulations... when was the last time you heard of this type of incident? I mean shootings happen in Texas, but nothing like this or columbine.

I can actually think of two others, and both were military related.

To add onto this, we're forgetting the sniper guy in the 60's at UT, but that's probably too far back to really count with new laws and whatnot over the years.

The ironic thing about this is, it takes a giant shooting to occur for people to actually get riled up. Some old man could get shot down the street from you and you wouldn't care, but the second we hear it's 20+ schoolkids and teachers we immediately flip the fuck out on the issue. I mean, out of 300,000,000 people in the U.S., you're bound to have someone commit a crime of this nature every once in a while. It's always going to happen because people have the freedom and free will to do it, if someone wants a gun they're going to get one and if someone wants to shoot up some kindergarteners, they're going to do it. 3/4's of all guns used in the past 100 or so types of these shooting events, have been illegally obtained. He tried to purchase a gun and he refused to take a background check, more then likely because they wouldn't sell it to him with his medical issues. The 10 most violent states when it comes to homicide by guns are also some of the strictest in the country. Human decisions are what play a part in it, not the availibility of a gun. Legality of firearms isn't the issue and Foh is correct, cracking down on them will just be a waste of time and manpower. Instead we should focus on preventing them by actually helping the people who commit these crimes with their issues and problems so it never happens in the first place.

People keep saying this, but I have yet to see any documentation that supports this. Honestly, I'm curious as to if this is factual or not.

I swear its like doing some research yourself is a foreign concept to you, how the shit did you get past high school?

[Christmas 643]

I swear its like doing some research yourself is a foreign concept to you, how the shit did you get past high school?

How rude of you.

Edited December 18, 2012 by Christmas

[Don Danzone 410]

Go Piers go!

Edited December 18, 2012 by Don Danzone

[Dojima 7619]

ahaha, they've been giving that guy such a hard time over the past few days on CNN. His statistics are right, but the conclusions he draws from them are pure sophistry.

[Don Danzone 410]

ahaha, they've been giving that guy such a hard time over the past few days on CNN. His statistics are right, but the conclusions he draws from them are pure sophistry.

U mean Piers or the 1 out of 3 guy?

[Dojima 7619]

The gun guy.

[Don Danzone 410]

The gun guy.

I would like to bash his face in, to bad he'll shoot me though

[Dyscivist 5686]

Piers comes from a country where gun control has worked so well, too!

Firearm use in crime in the UK has literally doubled since the ban.

Edited December 19, 2012 by Dyscivist

[Fate 65]

Piers comes from a country where gun control has worked so well, too!

Firearm use in crime in the UK has literally doubled since the ban.

I did a paper on this in high school. I wish I could find that huge as fuck pdf that I used for references

[Oreo 2073]

Piers comes from a country where gun control has worked so well, too!

Firearm use in crime in the UK has literally doubled since the ban.

@Gun law stops gun crime argument