Zeus banned

[Guest 1337 skillz]

FFS, this shit is going on for WAY too long.

For you guys who think zeus got banned for NOT GIVING UP A NAME you need to know, he was banned for POSTING A STAFF LEAK which is against the rules.

he had 1 last slip-up, and this was it. now hes banned and we can move the fuck on.

Do you even know what the fucking "STAFF LEAK" was? It was nothing more than a post that FIASCO made in the staff forum, that the creator of that post, FIASCO gave to me, that contained NOTHING more than his opinion.

I was banned for not giving up a name. This posting of a "staff leak" BS is just a fall story so that they can keep me banned until I give up the names of people who give me info I have the RIGHT to know about- the suspects of who posted my pictures on 4chan, the suspects of who posted my private info on the forums.

This shit is just flat out ridiculous, and it's 100% pathetic the way both you (Nitestalker) and Junzou are trying to turn this into Chaos's problem. Not only this but Junzou is also guilty of having a "STAFF LEAK", and admitted to posting his "leak" in one of the threads last night. Furthermore, it's Mario and Pebbz who feed him his information all the time anyway, even though he's not staff, and has no say in any matters regarding clan affairs at this point in time, so pretty much what they're trying to get me banned for and find out who's "leaking" is shit they are guilty of as well. Can someone say hypocrisy?

As for Junzou's staff leak, this is what he said to me in Xfire last night:

Conversation started between fapple_sauce.cpp and sG | Junzou [L5]: Tue, Feb 09 23:27:14 2010

[23:27] sG | Junzou [L5]: i put a staff leak in your staff leak so you can get banned while you get banned

[23:27] sG | Junzou [L5]:

[23:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: Yeah.

[23:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: I know.

[23:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: I saw.

[23:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: Except.

[23:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: None of that shit is a "staff leak".

[23:28] sG | Junzou [L5]: Guess you should've said something that proved otherwise

[23:28] fapple_sauce.cpp: Like what?

[23:28] fapple_sauce.cpp: I was given info that pertained to my situation.

[23:28] fapple_sauce.cpp: In no way is that a staff leak.

[23:28] sG | Junzou [L5]: like the post that fiasco made in the staff section that you direcly pasted?

[23:29] fapple_sauce.cpp: Yeah.

[23:29] fapple_sauce.cpp: That he gave me.

[23:29] sG | Junzou [L5]: believe it or not

[23:29] sG | Junzou [L5]: that was information from the staff forum

[23:29] fapple_sauce.cpp: Oh, I know.

[23:29] sG | Junzou [L5]: so

[23:29] fapple_sauce.cpp: That the owner of that information gave to me.

[23:29] sG | Junzou [L5]: it was information from the staff forum

[23:29] sG | Junzou [L5]: that staff gave you

[23:29] fapple_sauce.cpp: That contained no pertinent information.

[23:29] sG | Junzou [L5]: even though you're not supposed to have access

[23:29] sG | Junzou [L5]: and you pasted it into the general forums

[23:29] fapple_sauce.cpp: Hmmm.

[23:29] fapple_sauce.cpp: You're one to talk.

[23:29] sG | Junzou [L5]: direct violation of section 1J of the rules

[23:30] sG | Junzou [L5]:

[23:30] sG | Junzou [L5]: aaaaaaaaanyway

[23:30] sG | Junzou [L5]: enjoy your ban

[23:30] sG | Junzou [L5]: bye bye

[23:30] sG | Junzou [L5]:

[23:30] fapple_sauce.cpp: lol

[23:30] fapple_sauce.cpp: It'll get lifted eventually.

[23:30] fapple_sauce.cpp: I've done nothing wrong.

[23:56] sG | Junzou [L5]: <This user is now offline>

Conversation ended: Wed, Feb 10 00:24:06 2010

Openly admitted he just posted stuff he got from his "leak" right there.

I confronted Mario about this, and what did I get:

[23:26] fapple_sauce.cpp: Hmmm.

[23:26] fapple_sauce.cpp: Staff leak to Junzou, apparently.

[23:27] sG | Jason : bah

[23:27] sG | Jason : what?

[23:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: One reason he was banned because someone on staff (apparently, Zeus wouldn't admit to anything, despite knowing what the consequences would be) told him that I was in the staff channel discussing the events of the day. Yes, all three of those names came up at one time or another, but as I told staff I don't know what any of them posted [in the 4chan thread]. Obviously Fohacidal and Donut aren't banned; I don't know why PR()JECT is banned, I assume they have their reasons. Beefwipe was in the channel a majority of the time too, but interestingly Zeus didn't feel like sharing that bit of information. Staff told Zeus to share who was leaking information, told him he would be banned if he didn't, and he stood his ground. This isn't oppression, Zeus dug his own grave.

[23:27] sG | Jason : im sitting here, falling asleep

[23:27] sG | Jason : so

[23:27] sG | Jason : if its not important

[23:27] sG | Jason : lemealone

[23:28] sG | Jason : whats that

[23:29] fapple_sauce.cpp: ?

[23:29] sG | Jason : [21:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: One reason he was banned because someone on staff (apparently, Zeus wouldn't admit to anything, despite knowing what the consequences would be) told him that I was in the staff channel discussing the events of the day. Yes, all three of those names came up at one time or another, but as I told staff I don't know what any of them posted [in the 4chan thread]. Obviously Fohacidal and Donut aren't banned; I don't know why PR()JECT is banned, I assume they have their reasons. Beefwipe was in the channel a majority of the time too, but interestingly Zeus didn't feel like sharing that bit of information. Staff told Zeus to share who was leaking information, told him he would be banned if he didn't, and he stood his ground. This isn't oppression, Zeus dug his own grave.

[23:30] fapple_sauce.cpp: Yeah.

[23:30] fapple_sauce.cpp: Apparently that's a staff leak.

[23:30] sG | Jason : who said that

[23:30] fapple_sauce.cpp: [23:27] sG | Junzou [L5]: i put a staff leak in your staff leak so you can get banned while you get banned

[23:27] sG | Junzou [L5]:

[23:30] fapple_sauce.cpp: Junzou said that.

[23:31] fapple_sauce.cpp: So...

[23:31] fapple_sauce.cpp: Where's his ban?

[23:32] fapple_sauce.cpp: An infraction, huh?

[23:32] fapple_sauce.cpp: Cuter.

[23:32] fapple_sauce.cpp: Cute*

[23:33] fapple_sauce.cpp: So what's the deal?

[23:33] sG | Jason : that

[23:33] sG | Jason : is xfire

Cute. An infraction for something I'm being banned for.

And as for MY staff leak, well here you go:

Conversation started between Fapple Sauce and sG | Fiasc-ho: Fri, Jan 29 21:48:07 2010

[21:48] sG | Fiasc-ho: Are you still talking to Coin?

[21:50] Fapple Sauce: Nope.

[21:50] Fapple Sauce: Not right now.

[21:50] Fapple Sauce: He's offline.

[21:50] sG | Fiasc-ho: [19:12] sG | CoinStar : we're not here to protect people.

[21:50] sG | Fiasc-ho: LOLOLOL

[21:50] sG | Fiasc-ho: PIP is so fail.

[21:51] Fapple Sauce: I know.

[21:51] Fapple Sauce: I told him to fucking just remove the PIP if that's the way he felt.

[21:51] sG | Fiasc-ho: Also if he's not here to protect people, why are we trusting him with our money

[21:51] Fapple Sauce: Good point.

[21:51] Fapple Sauce: However.

[21:51] Fapple Sauce: I would still trust Coinstar.

[21:51] Fapple Sauce: He's always been trustworthy, in my opinion.

[21:52] Fapple Sauce: This is just something he views as private, and should remain that.

[21:52] Fapple Sauce: If you make it unprivate, you shouldn't be protected.

[21:52] Fapple Sauce: However.

[21:52] sG | Fiasc-ho: He lost -10 respect points for me in vent giving out peoples pics.

[21:52] Fapple Sauce: I don't agree with that.

[21:52] Fapple Sauce: I know.

[21:52] Fapple Sauce: Well.

[21:52] Fapple Sauce: Yeah, but I know what he was doing.

[21:52] Fapple Sauce: He told me to look at vent.

[21:53] sG | Fiasc-ho: Are we really going to allow people to post and manipulate community member photos without consequences? I think personally that for people to have pictures on forums posted by other community members they should be required to get permission from those members whose pictures they're posting.

[21:54] sG | Fiasc-ho: I litterally posted that 10 minutes before They updated this

[21:54] Fapple Sauce: Seriously.

[21:54] Fapple Sauce: If I post a picture on the forums.

[21:54] Fapple Sauce: Go ahead and fucking edit it, I don't care.

[21:54] Fapple Sauce: But if I didn't post them there, then fucking leave it that way.

[21:55] sG | Fiasc-ho: Yeah, but they're going out on people's facebooks and tracking pictures dow.

My little "staff leak" was nothing more than an opinion expressed by Fiasco, and he did so through a post that he made in the staff forum, and relayed to me. In no way should that be a violation of the rules.

This is the full conversation between me and Mario:

[23:06] fapple_sauce.cpp: What other leak would you be after, then?

[23:06] fapple_sauce.cpp: Considering Pebbz never brought it up.

[23:06] fapple_sauce.cpp: I would be more inclined to believe it's just some BS.

[23:08] fapple_sauce.cpp: And ignoring me right now would only prove BS, because if it's info you want, you're not going to get it by ignoring.

[23:08] sG | Jason : ignoring what?

[23:09] fapple_sauce.cpp: Nothing.

[23:09] fapple_sauce.cpp: What other "leaks" are you speaking of?

[23:09] fapple_sauce.cpp: Because Pebbz never mentioned any other "leaks".

[23:09] sG | Jason : fiasco quote

[23:09] fapple_sauce.cpp: Which one?

[23:10] fapple_sauce.cpp: What did it pertain to?

[23:10] sG | Jason : meaning multiple?

[23:10] fapple_sauce.cpp: Multiple?

[23:11] sG | Jason : [21:09] fapple_sauce.cpp: Which one?

[23:11] fapple_sauce.cpp: Yeah, which quote?

[23:11] fapple_sauce.cpp: I've got quotes from many people.

[23:11] fapple_sauce.cpp: Fiasco quote- that's real specific.

[23:11] fapple_sauce.cpp: What did it pertain to?

[23:11] sG | Jason : looking

[23:12] sG | Jason : http://www.syndicate-gamers.net/forums/showpost.php?p=324698&postcount=45

[23:14] fapple_sauce.cpp: Oh, you mean the post he made in the staff forum and then told me he made?

[23:14] fapple_sauce.cpp: How exactly is that a leak?

[23:15] fapple_sauce.cpp: He makes a post pertaining to a situation where my pictures from photobucket were posted.

[23:15] fapple_sauce.cpp: Tells me about it.

[23:15] fapple_sauce.cpp: And I post it in response to someone who thinks Fiasco was on his side.

[23:15] fapple_sauce.cpp: Tell me how that's a leak?

[23:16] sG | Jason : was it from the staff forum?

[23:16] sG | Jason : yes

[23:16] fapple_sauce.cpp: That's what he said.

[23:16] fapple_sauce.cpp: Did it contain any pertinent information?

[23:16] fapple_sauce.cpp: No.

[23:16] sG | Jason : does that matter?

[23:16] sG | Jason : no

[23:16] fapple_sauce.cpp: It was him stating an opinion.

[23:16] sG | Jason : http://www.syndicate-gamers.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11399

[23:16] fapple_sauce.cpp: Yes, actually it does.

[23:16] sG | Jason : 1, J

[23:16] sG | Jason : I could technically leave you banned for that alone.

[23:17] fapple_sauce.cpp: For what alone?

[23:17] sG | Jason : 1 - J

[23:18] fapple_sauce.cpp: No, you can't, since there was no pertinent information, and the person who posted it is the one who told me.

[23:18] fapple_sauce.cpp: Like Cheese said, you're just looking for excuses to ban me.

[23:19] sG | Jason : No, I'm trying to close leaks.

[23:20] fapple_sauce.cpp: [21:52] Fapple Sauce: I don't agree with that.

[21:52] Fapple Sauce: I know.

[21:52] Fapple Sauce: Well.

[21:52] Fapple Sauce: Yeah, but I know what he was doing.

[21:52] Fapple Sauce: He told me to look at vent.

[21:53] sG | Fiasc-ho: Are we really going to allow people to post and manipulate community member photos without consequences? I think personally that for people to have pictures on forums posted by other community members they should be required to get permission from those members whose pictures they're posting.

[21:54] sG | Fiasc-ho: I litterally posted that 10 minutes before They updated this

[21:54] Fapple Sauce: Seriously.

[21:54] Fapple Sauce: If I post a picture on the forums.

[21:54] Fapple Sauce: Go ahead and fucking edit it, I don't care.

[21:54] Fapple Sauce: But if I didn't post them there, then fucking leave it that way.

[23:20] fapple_sauce.cpp: The "leaks" as you calll them, aren't leaks.

[23:20] sG | Jason : As I said in that thread, the fact that you should be banned doesn't help you.

[23:20] fapple_sauce.cpp: They're things that shouldn't be a secret anyway.

[23:20] fapple_sauce.cpp: If I'm involved in a situation, I have the right to know who the suspected people are.

[23:21] fapple_sauce.cpp: That's in no way a leak of any kind.

[23:26] fapple_sauce.cpp: Hmmm.

[23:26] fapple_sauce.cpp: Staff leak to Junzou, apparently.

[23:27] sG | Jason : bah

[23:27] sG | Jason : what?

[23:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: One reason he was banned because someone on staff (apparently, Zeus wouldn't admit to anything, despite knowing what the consequences would be) told him that I was in the staff channel discussing the events of the day. Yes, all three of those names came up at one time or another, but as I told staff I don't know what any of them posted [in the 4chan thread]. Obviously Fohacidal and Donut aren't banned; I don't know why PR()JECT is banned, I assume they have their reasons. Beefwipe was in the channel a majority of the time too, but interestingly Zeus didn't feel like sharing that bit of information. Staff told Zeus to share who was leaking information, told him he would be banned if he didn't, and he stood his ground. This isn't oppression, Zeus dug his own grave.

[23:27] sG | Jason : im sitting here, falling asleep

[23:27] sG | Jason : so

[23:27] sG | Jason : if its not important

[23:27] sG | Jason : lemealone

[23:28] sG | Jason : whats that

[23:29] fapple_sauce.cpp: ?

[23:29] sG | Jason : [21:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: One reason he was banned because someone on staff (apparently, Zeus wouldn't admit to anything, despite knowing what the consequences would be) told him that I was in the staff channel discussing the events of the day. Yes, all three of those names came up at one time or another, but as I told staff I don't know what any of them posted [in the 4chan thread]. Obviously Fohacidal and Donut aren't banned; I don't know why PR()JECT is banned, I assume they have their reasons. Beefwipe was in the channel a majority of the time too, but interestingly Zeus didn't feel like sharing that bit of information. Staff told Zeus to share who was leaking information, told him he would be banned if he didn't, and he stood his ground. This isn't oppression, Zeus dug his own grave.

[23:30] fapple_sauce.cpp: Yeah.

[23:30] fapple_sauce.cpp: Apparently that's a staff leak.

[23:30] sG | Jason : who said that

[23:30] fapple_sauce.cpp: [23:27] sG | Junzou [L5]: i put a staff leak in your staff leak so you can get banned while you get banned

[23:27] sG | Junzou [L5]:

[23:30] fapple_sauce.cpp: Junzou said that.

[23:31] fapple_sauce.cpp: So...

[23:31] fapple_sauce.cpp: Where's his ban?

[23:32] fapple_sauce.cpp: An infraction, huh?

[23:32] fapple_sauce.cpp: Cuter.

[23:32] fapple_sauce.cpp: Cute*

[23:33] fapple_sauce.cpp: So what's the deal?

[23:33] sG | Jason : that

[23:33] sG | Jason : is xfire

[23:33] fapple_sauce.cpp: I get "staff leaks" (sounds like some weird disease) for shit that pertains to me and other shit that has no information involved.

[23:33] fapple_sauce.cpp: Doesn't matter.

[23:34] fapple_sauce.cpp: This is Xfire.

[23:34] fapple_sauce.cpp: Everything I've gotten is from Xfire.

Here's a conversation between me and Pebbz- may have already been posted, but it really shows how he nor anyone else has anything on me, yet they're still trying to press on with my ban.

[11:48] fapple_sauce.cpp: Baiting or not, he knew he had a safe 'backup' in the clan. If I had murdered someone and I claimed he was 'instigating' me, would that void all punishment? Obviously it's not in any way that extreme, but you get the analogy. Plus, you also contradicted yourself:

[11:48] fapple_sauce.cpp: Way to equate public argument to murder.

[11:48] sG | Pebbz. : Obviously it's not in any way that extreme, but you get the analogy.

[11:48] sG | Pebbz. : Analogies work.

[11:48] fapple_sauce.cpp: Analogies work to skew.

[11:49] sG | Pebbz. : Err, I never looked it that way.

[11:49] fapple_sauce.cpp: I know you don't.

[11:49] sG | Pebbz. : I do suppose you're right in a sense, but that wasn't the intent.

[11:49] sG | Pebbz. : So yeah.

[11:49] fapple_sauce.cpp: Yeah, it really was.

[11:49] sG | Pebbz. : You said you knew I never looked at analogies to skew and I, unknowingly, did it?

[11:49] fapple_sauce.cpp: Everything I've ever been banned for is shit that you, Junzou, Nitestalker, and plenty of others have been doing regularly for quite some time now.

[11:50] sG | Pebbz. : Actually, this is the first time I've ever been truly involved in one of your bannings.

[11:50] fapple_sauce.cpp: So what am I banned for?

[11:50] sG | Pebbz. : Like previous discussions with you, I neither hated nor liked you.

[11:50] fapple_sauce.cpp: Because I won't tell you who gives me info that I have a right to know?

[11:50] fapple_sauce.cpp: Hmm, that's kinda' hard to believe.

[11:51] fapple_sauce.cpp: Considering you've always been on the same side as Junzou and Mario

[11:51] sG | Pebbz. : Then you should have risen the question when I first told you, huh?

[11:51] sG | Pebbz. : But aside from that, I am friends with Junzou and Mario.

[11:51] fapple_sauce.cpp: And that obviously does quite a bit for your stance.

[11:51] sG | Pebbz. : I hear what they say, but it doesn't mean I always agree with them.

[11:51] fapple_sauce.cpp: It's plain as day.

[11:52] fapple_sauce.cpp: You're on the same bandwagon as everyone else.

[11:52] fapple_sauce.cpp: What info have I been told that I shouldn't know?

[11:52] fapple_sauce.cpp: Please, tell me, because I would love to know.

[11:52] sG | Pebbz. : So now you're pleading ignorance?

[11:52] fapple_sauce.cpp: No, not at all.

[11:52] fapple_sauce.cpp: I know what I've been told.

[11:52] fapple_sauce.cpp: But you apparently don't.

[11:53] fapple_sauce.cpp: Because you think it's such a problem. If you knew what I've been told, you would realize that there is no "staff leak"... Not involving me, at least.

[11:53] fapple_sauce.cpp: Junzou on the other hand seems to have his hands on just as big a "leak" as I do.

[11:53] fapple_sauce.cpp: ie: You and Mario.

[11:53] sG | Pebbz. : If you're so confident, feel free to tell me what can possibly 'clear' you.

[11:54] fapple_sauce.cpp: I'm not going to give you what you want, because I know how you feel about the situation, and I know how Mario would blow it out of proportion.

[11:54] sG | Pebbz. : I've heard that speech before.

[11:54] fapple_sauce.cpp: EVEN THOUGH, he's a "tech department", not "affairs dpartment".

[11:54] sG | Pebbz. : So you're just blowing smoke, that's great.

[11:54] sG | Pebbz. : Unless you can truly prove otherwise.

[11:54] fapple_sauce.cpp: Prove what?

[11:54] sG | Pebbz. : So what's your intent of initiating this conversation?

[11:54] fapple_sauce.cpp: Youv'e heard what speech before?

[11:55] fapple_sauce.cpp: The fact that I'm banned right now is more than enough proof of your intentions and how big a deal you're making out of something that you and Mario are also at fault for.

[11:55] sG | Pebbz. : How we at fault? As for the question, it was asking your intention.

[11:55] sG | Pebbz. : Not mine.

[11:55] sG | Pebbz. : Because you started the convo.

[11:55] sG | Pebbz. : :3

[11:56] sG | Pebbz. : How are we*

[11:56] sG | Pebbz. : Blah

[11:56] fapple_sauce.cpp: How are you at fault?

[11:56] fapple_sauce.cpp: Let me think about that for a moment.

[11:56] fapple_sauce.cpp: Because I'm having so much trouble.

[11:56] fapple_sauce.cpp: Figuring out.

[11:56] fapple_sauce.cpp: Where Junzou gets his information.

[11:57] fapple_sauce.cpp: Conversation started between fapple_sauce.cpp and sG | Junzou [L5]: Tue, Feb 09 23:27:14 2010

[23:27] sG | Junzou [L5]: i put a staff leak in your staff leak so you can get banned while you get banned

[23:27] sG | Junzou [L5]:

[23:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: Yeah.

[23:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: I know.

[23:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: I saw.

[11:57] fapple_sauce.cpp: Look at his post in the thread.

[11:57] fapple_sauce.cpp: He is admittedly doing the same thing

[11:57] fapple_sauce.cpp: But where is his punishmen- OH.

[11:57] fapple_sauce.cpp: Yeah, that's right, Mario gave him an infraction last night.

[11:57] fapple_sauce.cpp: Not a ban, an infraction.

[11:57] fapple_sauce.cpp: What was mario's excuse.

[11:57] fapple_sauce.cpp: ?

[11:57] fapple_sauce.cpp: Do you know?

[11:57] sG | Pebbz. : It was an infraction cause he was flaming Towliban..

[11:58] fapple_sauce.cpp: [23:33] sG | Jason : that

[23:33] sG | Jason : is xfire

[11:58] fapple_sauce.cpp: No, he wasn't.

[11:58] fapple_sauce.cpp: Mario's excuse is "that"

[11:58] fapple_sauce.cpp: "is xfire"

[11:58] sG | Pebbz. : What is xfire?

[11:58] fapple_sauce.cpp: I've gotten all my info from xfire.

[11:58] sG | Pebbz. : I don't get the context.

[11:58] fapple_sauce.cpp: So apparently it doesn't count.

[11:59] fapple_sauce.cpp: Are you seriously playing dumb right now?

[11:59] sG | Pebbz. : Err

[11:59] sG | Pebbz. : Not really.

[11:59] fapple_sauce.cpp: Sounds like it to me.

[12:00] fapple_sauce.cpp: Junzou described exactly what was going on between you, Mario, and myself.

[12:00] fapple_sauce.cpp: Even though he shouldn't have known.

[12:00] sG | Pebbz. : Sounds like you just want Junzou in trouble

[12:00] sG | Pebbz. : You're not even defending your position

[12:00] sG | Pebbz. : You're just pushing the load onto someone else.

[12:00] fapple_sauce.cpp: Pebbz, I'm pointing out your guy's inconsistency.

[12:00] fapple_sauce.cpp: Stop trying to skew shit.

[12:00] fapple_sauce.cpp: Just like you were doing with your little "analogy".

[12:01] sG | Pebbz. : I thought my analogy fit quite well.

[12:01] sG | Pebbz. : I'm sad now ):

[12:01] sG | Pebbz. : But anyhoo, how does this help you?

[12:01] sG | Pebbz. : You're just saying we need to be consistent.

[12:01] sG | Pebbz. : So you want someone ELSE to be in trouble.

[12:01] fapple_sauce.cpp: Why else would Junzou say this?

[12:01] fapple_sauce.cpp: Conversation started between fapple_sauce.cpp and sG | Junzou [L5]: Tue, Feb 09 23:27:14 2010

[23:27] sG | Junzou [L5]: i put a staff leak in your staff leak so you can get banned while you get banned

[23:27] sG | Junzou [L5]:

[23:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: Yeah.

[23:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: I know.

[23:27] fapple_sauce.cpp: I saw.

[12:01] fapple_sauce.cpp: What am I doing?

[12:01] fapple_sauce.cpp: I'm making you look like a moron.

[12:02] sG | Pebbz. : That's an opinion, but glad you think so.

[12:02] fapple_sauce.cpp: An opinion that I'm sure will be shared with quite a few.

[12:02] sG | Pebbz. : If something is inconsistent then atleast in one point there was a time it was proper.

[12:02] fapple_sauce.cpp: Nope.

[12:02] sG | Pebbz. : You're saying it's inconsistent that we're not always 'proper'?

[12:03] fapple_sauce.cpp: No punishment for either me or Junzou is necessary.

[12:03] sG | Pebbz. : Then what does consistency have to do with anything?

[12:03] sG | Pebbz. : I'm quite confused.

[12:03] fapple_sauce.cpp: I'm saying that you guys are trying to punish me and at the same time "punish" Junzou for the same "crime".

[12:03] sG | Pebbz. : Seems like you're saying 'why isn't he banned when I am', when it is totally different scenarios.

[12:03] fapple_sauce.cpp: But the punishment is entirely different.

[12:03] sG | Pebbz. : a totally*

[12:03] sG | Pebbz. : blah.

[12:03] fapple_sauce.cpp: No, they're not different scenarios at all.

[12:03] fapple_sauce.cpp: But of course you would say they are.

[12:04] fapple_sauce.cpp: I wouldn't expect anything else.

[12:04] sG | Pebbz. : I believe them to be, yes.

[12:04] fapple_sauce.cpp: Well good for you.

[12:04] fapple_sauce.cpp: I believe I have more than enough here.

[12:04] sG | Pebbz. : For an opposing opinion? I'm curious of what your intention is.

[12:04] sG | Pebbz. : They're different scenarios and you're trying to apply them in the same way.

[12:05] sG | Pebbz. : Seems like idiocy to me.

[12:05] fapple_sauce.cpp: How are they different?

[12:05] sG | Pebbz. : How do you know they are identical?

[12:05] fapple_sauce.cpp: How did I know you were going to answer with a question?

[12:05] fapple_sauce.cpp: (Just like you did before).

[12:05] fapple_sauce.cpp: You're refusing to answer the questions because you know you're wrong.

[12:05] sG | Pebbz. : I don't deny that I answer questions with questions. It's not necessarily refusing, it just stumps you.

[12:06] sG | Pebbz. : Hence your mini-rant here.

[12:06] fapple_sauce.cpp: How are they different? I'm given info regarding situations that I am involved in. Junzou is given info regarding situations that he's involved in.

[12:06] fapple_sauce.cpp: Here he is given teh info from you and Mario.

[12:06] fapple_sauce.cpp: I'm given the info from others.

[12:06] fapple_sauce.cpp: What's the difference?

[12:06] fapple_sauce.cpp: I'm banned because you're trying to find a staff leak.

[12:06] fapple_sauce.cpp: And I won't tell you.

[12:07] fapple_sauce.cpp: While you're sitting there being a "staff leak" yourself- same with Mario.

[12:07] sG | Pebbz. : He's not given. Quite honestly, he is involved because he was a part of the 4chan debacle.

[12:07] sG | Pebbz. : You, however, were not.

[12:07] fapple_sauce.cpp: Oh really?

[12:07] fapple_sauce.cpp: So my pictures weren't posted on 4Chan?

[12:07] fapple_sauce.cpp: Pretty sure I saw them there.

[12:07] sG | Pebbz. : Let me double check.

[12:07] sG | Pebbz. : Hold on.

[12:07] fapple_sauce.cpp: But then again, even if they were, that doesn't involve me, right?

[12:08] sG | Pebbz. : He's involved in the sense is that he had witnessed and heard some things.

[12:08] fapple_sauce.cpp: I've only ever gathered info for things I was involved in and had a right to know.

[12:08] sG | Pebbz. : Kinda get what I'm saying?

[12:08] sG | Pebbz. : You may be AFFECTED

[12:08] sG | Pebbz. : But not necessarily 'involved'.

[12:08] fapple_sauce.cpp: I was a victim of the situation.

[12:08] fapple_sauce.cpp: Which means I'm just as involved as a witness.

[12:08] fapple_sauce.cpp: Say someone murders my son, and Junzou sees it.

[12:08] fapple_sauce.cpp: I guess i'm not involved?

[12:09] sG | Pebbz. : Sure, and that is completely different from Junzou's situation, where he is a witness and a victim.

[12:09] sG | Pebbz. : And wait, are you being a hypocrite?

[12:09] sG | Pebbz. : You call me out for pulling criminal analogies and you do the same?

[12:09] fapple_sauce.cpp: I'm surprised you caught on.

[12:10] sG | Pebbz. : Oh, you give me little credit.

[12:10] fapple_sauce.cpp: Except here's the thing, that analogy doesn't make anyone look bad, as your intent was.

[12:10] sG | Pebbz. : Your speculation of my intent is false.

[12:10] sG | Pebbz. : Putting that out there.

[12:10] fapple_sauce.cpp: So hold up.

[12:10] fapple_sauce.cpp: Junzou is a victim?

[12:10] sG | Pebbz. : Yeah, he has his pictures posted also.

[12:10] fapple_sauce.cpp: Yeah, his picture was posted-

[12:10] fapple_sauce.cpp: I know.

[12:10] fapple_sauce.cpp: But how does that work?

[12:10] sG | Pebbz. : Hm?

[12:11] fapple_sauce.cpp: No one has access to his photobucket.

[12:11] fapple_sauce.cpp: His shit is locked.

[12:11] fapple_sauce.cpp: Has been since CC90.

[12:11] fapple_sauce.cpp: But you wouldn't really know anything about that.

[12:11] sG | Pebbz. : Hell if I know, man. I wasn't there for Junzou's pictures.

[12:11] fapple_sauce.cpp: Irrelevant topic, but I don't get how I'm not involved?

[12:12] sG | Pebbz. : In a different sense.

[12:12] fapple_sauce.cpp: So he had one picture posted.

[12:12] sG | Pebbz. : You're not actively participating.

[12:12] fapple_sauce.cpp: I had two.

[12:12] fapple_sauce.cpp: No, I'm not, because I don't have any clue who did it.

[12:12] sG | Pebbz. : I only saw one, but I may be mistaken.

[12:12] fapple_sauce.cpp: I'm still involved in the situation.

[12:12] sG | Pebbz. : Like I said, in a *different* sense.

[12:12] fapple_sauce.cpp: And I still have the right to know what's going on and who posted my pictures.

[12:12] sG | Pebbz. : You cannot construe Junzou's scenario with yours.

[12:12] fapple_sauce.cpp: Yes, I can, because they're identical.

[12:13] fapple_sauce.cpp: His picture was posted.

[12:13] fapple_sauce.cpp: My pictures were posted.

[12:13] fapple_sauce.cpp: We're both involved simply because of that.

[12:13] sG | Pebbz. : Yes.

[12:13] fapple_sauce.cpp: Ok then.

[12:13] sG | Pebbz. : But Junzou was also on vent.

[12:13] fapple_sauce.cpp: Where is the argument?

[12:13] fapple_sauce.cpp: How's that relevant?

[12:13] sG | Pebbz. : He was there

[12:13] sG | Pebbz. : Analogy time!

[12:13] fapple_sauce.cpp: He was where? Vent?

[12:13] sG | Pebbz. : Hold on, let me think of one real quick.

[12:13] fapple_sauce.cpp: The person you guys banned for it wasn't in Vent.

[12:14] sG | Pebbz. : Okay

[12:14] sG | Pebbz. : Murderer A shot your parents.

[12:14] sG | Pebbz. : You are a victim

[12:14] sG | Pebbz. : Murderer A also shot Junzou's parents.

[12:14] sG | Pebbz. : He is a victim.

[12:14] fapple_sauce.cpp: Exactly.

[12:14] fapple_sauce.cpp: What's the difference here?

[12:14] fapple_sauce.cpp: He was in Vent?

[12:14] sG | Pebbz. : Though, Junzou saw Murderer A and can identify suspects and such.

[12:14] sG | Pebbz. : Difference!

[12:14] fapple_sauce.cpp: So if I was in Vent and saw Junzou, that would mean he was a suspect?

[12:15] fapple_sauce.cpp: Except being in Vent doesn't incriminate anyone.

[12:15] sG | Pebbz. : At first, everything just hit the fan.

[12:15] sG | Pebbz. : It was all speculation at first.

[12:15] fapple_sauce.cpp: Pebbz, being in Vent doesn't incriminate anyone.

[12:15] fapple_sauce.cpp: Speculation?

[12:15] fapple_sauce.cpp: Because he saw 3 people in a vent channel means they're suspect?

[12:15] sG | Pebbz. : If you saw people congressing in a vent channel and posting in the forums thread about 4chan.

[12:15] sG | Pebbz. : Then you might think something's up.

[12:16] sG | Pebbz. : No?

[12:16] fapple_sauce.cpp: If I saw three people whom I know are all friends in a vent channel (3 people- hardly a congression).

[12:16] sG | Pebbz. : The domain itself doesn't need to be incriminating.

[12:16] fapple_sauce.cpp: Then I wouldn't suspect a thing.

[12:16] sG | Pebbz. : It wasn't 3 people, there's where you were mistaken.

[12:17] fapple_sauce.cpp: So then why did he only list off 3 people?

[12:17] fapple_sauce.cpp: If there were a bunch of people in one channel, which is a common occurrence on Vent, then what's the deal?

[12:17] sG | Pebbz. : [13:15] sG | Pebbz. : If you saw people congressing in a vent channel AND posting in the forums thread about 4chan.

[12:17] fapple_sauce.cpp: Why single out those 3 people- one of them being someone who doesn't know either me or Chaos, let alone would have any pictures.

[12:17] fapple_sauce.cpp: So?

[12:17] fapple_sauce.cpp: Junzou made the 4chan thread.

[12:18] sG | Pebbz. : That's something that was leaked to you and you used it as a personal attack against Junzou.

[12:18] sG | Pebbz. : Why narrow it down to 3?

[12:18] fapple_sauce.cpp: He also posted how he found it was funny in the chat box.

[12:18] sG | Pebbz. : It could be 5 or 6.

[12:18] fapple_sauce.cpp: And said something along the lines of "the best part of this is it's not PIP violation".

[12:18] sG | Pebbz. : Truthfully, it isn't fully expressed in the PIP.

[12:18] fapple_sauce.cpp: He made the thread, said that in chatbox.

[12:18] fapple_sauce.cpp: And texted Chaos about it.

[12:18] sG | Pebbz. : Yeah, I know he texted Chaos.

[12:18] sG | Pebbz. : She did have a right to know.

[12:19] fapple_sauce.cpp: Yeah, she did.

[12:19] fapple_sauce.cpp: I'm just saying that he did all three things is just as incriminating as being in a vent channel- even more so.

[12:19] fapple_sauce.cpp: But anyway, I'm done with you, I've gotten more than enough from you.

And for those who think that my ban is permanent, as of right now, it is not:

There's no reason for me to be banned- there is no justification. If my posting of a "staff leak" were the cause for my ban, I would have been banned THEN, not now simply because they want me to incriminate the staff members that do the right thing by not keeping shit, that shouldn't be a secret, secret.

A lot of reading but if you really care about how "straight" this clan is being run, it's being run into the ground with deceitful members and staffers.

And someone infract Nitestalker or some shit- his trolling of this thread is ridiculous- especially since it's in the Debate & Serious Talk forum.

EDIT:

so why did you unban him?

She's only unbanned me once or twice, with the support of other staff members, just as Junzou has done before.

[BeauutifulChaos 902]

so why did you unban him?

Yeah yeah yeah, I know I contradicted my point.

But I had always pressed to get him unbanned, because his bans were never justified. I believe I already said that like 3 times too.

[Nitestalker 792]

Yeah yeah yeah, I know I contradicted my point.

But I had always pressed to get him unbanned, because his bans were never justified. I believe I already said that like 3 times too.

yep, his bans were never justified, oh except for when he was given 1 last chance, and then blew that chance with massive amounts of trolling.

Oh and zeus, nice 2nd account, you get a longer ban now, yay.

[Clay 24]

yep, his bans were never justified, oh except for when he was given 1 last chance, and then blew that chance with massive amounts of trolling.

Oh and zeus, nice 2nd account, you got perma ban and then some now.

I don't see what you're doing to help this topic right now.

As for my current role in this topic, I'm simply pointing out that you're an asshole.

This whole situation is fucked up.

Fuck you Phoenix, see what you get when you ask for drama? You get this.

[BeauutifulChaos 902]

yep, his bans were never justified, oh except for when he was given 1 last chance, and then blew that chance with massive amounts of trolling.

Oh and zeus, nice 2nd account, you get a longer ban now, yay.

At least his ban for the second account is actually now justified. And the only time he was perma'd and it was something he deserved, I wasn't around for. So...not my problem that they unbanned him then. I am going off of what I have seen since I have been around, and nothing was fair.

[BeauutifulChaos 902]

I don't see what you're doing to help this topic right now.

As for my current role in this topic, I'm simply pointing out that you're an asshole.

This whole situation is fucked up.

Fuck you Phoenix, see what you get when you ask for drama? You get this.

Agreed.

[apathy 1]

Wonder how long before zeus' post is deleted

^^Is this really worth an infraction ????

[Nitestalker 792]

At least his ban for the second account is actually now justified. And the only time he was perma'd and it was something he deserved, I wasn't around for. So...not my problem that they unbanned him then. I am going off of what I have seen since I have been around, and nothing was fair.

he was unbanned, and then you came around - and he was given 1 chance...he blew that chance and got banned again( the ban you unbanned him from)

whats not fair about him using up his (2nd, or 3rd) last chance?

[Guest 1337 skillz]

yep, his bans were never justified, oh except for when he was given 1 last chance, and then blew that chance with massive amounts of trolling.

Oh and zeus, nice 2nd account, you got perma ban and then some now.

You've been trolling far more than I ever have for the past couple of months. Stop acting like your shit don't stink.

Second account to reveal the truth FTW.

I'm always banned... And subsequently unbanned. Why? Well, there must be a reason, shouldn't there?

Like I said before- I'm banned for not giving up a name, not "posting a staff leak". If it were deemed important like it is now, I would have been banned then for it.

Also:

[BeauutifulChaos 902]

he was unbanned, and then you came around - and he was given 1 chance...he blew that chance and got banned again( the ban you unbanned him from)

whats not fair about him using up his (2nd, or 3rd) last chance?

Just because if it happened that I literally unbanned him myself, doesn't make it all me.

I ALWAYS WENT TO THE STAFF TO DISCUSS IT.

So apparently I was always right with his bans being unfair, and that a staff vote proved that.

[Nitestalker 792]

You've been trolling far more than I ever have for the past couple of months. Stop acting like your shit don't stink.

Second account to reveal the truth FTW.

I'm always banned... And subsequently unbanned. Why? Well, there must be a reason, shouldn't there?

Like I said before- I'm banned for not giving up a name, not "posting a staff leak". If it were deemed important like it is now, I would have been banned then for it.

Also:

Right, it couldnt be that they deduced from you not giving up a name that it was a staff leaking the info - hence it being a "staff leak" that you posted.

in b4 zeus's alternate account ban

Section 4C: C. When you are banned, you are not allowed to return under a new user name unless you have a legit reason. Such action could result in an IP ban and a 5 day extension of your ban.

[Kai! 3]

There's no reason for me to be banned- there is no justification. If my posting of a "staff leak" were the cause for my ban, I would have been banned THEN, not now simply because they want me to incriminate the staff members that do the right thing by not keeping shit, that shouldn't be a secret, secret.

I am going to say that I am not going to read up on this whole issue. I am mearly replying to this statement without any knowledge of the whole issue.

So by this logic, if someone violated pip that deserved a ban but it was not caught until a week later due to whatever reasons, there is no justification to ban the pip breacher because it went by a week unnoticed.

[BeauutifulChaos 902]

I am going to say that I am not going to read up on this whole issue. I am mearly replying to this statement without any knowledge of the whole issue.

So by this logic, if someone violated pip that deserved a ban but it was not caught until a week later due to whatever reasons, there is no justification to ban the pip breacher because it went by a week unnoticed.

I think you have to read up on it all to fully understand. >.<

[Guest 1337 skillz]

I am going to say that I am not going to read up on this whole issue. I am mearly replying to this statement without any knowledge of the whole issue.

So by this logic, if someone violated pip that deserved a ban but it was not caught until a week later due to whatever reasons, there is no justification to ban the pip breacher because it went by a week unnoticed.

It wasn't PIP that was violated... :S

But thank you for reminding me, Kai... Why does Mario have anything to do with this? He's a tech, right? I thought this was all affairs shit?

Right, it couldnt be that they deduced from you not giving up a name that it was a staff leaking the info - hence it being a "staff leak" that you posted.

in b4 zeus's alternate account ban

5 day ban. I can handle that, as long as this shit gets resolved.

[Clay 24]

in b4 zeus's alternate account ban

I think defending your honor is a legitimate reason. Someone needs to ban you already.

[Nitestalker 792]

I think you have to read up on it all to fully understand. >.<

I think he made a pretty valid point against what clickerson is trying to say.

[Guest Fohacidal]

So why isnt zeus' alt account banned yet? Seriously I made this topic because he was finally banned and staying banned and he just waltz right in with a ban evading alt. Seriously who the fuck cares so much about all this shit? We got rid of a douche, nobody cares about what karma thinks and apathy is a tool end of story. Now lets get back to playing on whatever we play and enjoy our day...

[BeauutifulChaos 902]

I think defending your honor is a legitimate reason. Someone needs to ban you already.

Golly Clay, I haven't talked to you in a while and you are saying the stuff I am about to say. XD

[Nitestalker 792]

theres no honor to defend, he was rightfully banned and deserves it.

[Clay 24]

Golly Clay, I haven't talked to you in a while and you are saying the stuff I am about to say. XD

:3 I do what I can.

.

Oops, I accidentally the whole Nitestalker.

(USER RECEIVED AN INFRACTION FOR THIS POST)

[BeauutifulChaos 902]

Nite, his ban may be justified now because of the second account. But the initial ban wasn't. Stop trying so hard. You aren't going anywhere.

[Nitestalker 792]

I saw that before the edit, you're fucking retarded. How do I second grade reading level?

damn, i did miss that part . and either way, zeus has no legitimate reason to make a 2nd account.

[Pebbz. 953]

Nite, his ban may be justified now because of the second account. But the initial ban wasn't. Stop trying so hard. You aren't going anywhere.

I do agree on both points. Nitestalker, you're not helping any and Zeus' ban evasion may have jeopardized his slim chances.

[Clay 24]

damn, i did miss that part . and either way, zeus has no legitimate reason to make a 2nd account.

I think defending your honor is a legitimate reason. Someone needs to ban you already.

Once again...

[Yiyas 66]

From the looks of it you didn't say Fiasc-hoe said what you quoted. In terms of the public that is not a "staff leak". It is neither harmful or beneficial to anyone. In addition to that... are we actually banning people for opinions now? Shit if Fiasco said "I like bananas" and Zeus posted that instead would he still be banned? Just seems like someone is waiting to slap Zeus with the banhammer this is blown way out of proportion.

This is how I see it::

Posting of leaked information is a bannable offence, no matter whom is posting it.

Information != Opinion.