Mistakes Were Made

[Face 1910]

So as a handful of people pointed out, the XP the players gained in my previous post (the one quoted below) was from "CSGO Pro rounds".

 

I did not punish other players for XP gained from these rounds, because the rules were semi-vague and CSGO Pro rounds seem "sG approved" when it requires an admin to give out the HP, negevs, etc. For that reason, I cannot punish these players.

 

The reason the players were originally punished is because the amount of XP gained was so obscenely high that I imagined there was no way they were not exploiting. I also did not have any admins show up in my "XP exploiting" log that I have, because the two admins involved (2 separate occasions) were not on CSGO Pro (or if they were, they gained little enough XP that I didn't notice them). As a result, I had a few reason to assume exploits:

1) I believed no admin was on, making CSGO Pro rounds impossible

2) There was the number of players showing up in the "XP exploits" log was appropriately low - enough that they could still get XP but few enough that it was reasonable they were possibly the only ones online

3) The XP gained was insane, like I said, Confag fired 3,000 bullets into enemies. This would be SO MUCH damage that there is no way someone with even 10k health would survive from a negev (or bizon, for that matter).

 

As such, I didn't check for admin command logs or ask the players. I felt like it was open and shut.

 

It was pointed out that I was wrong, and that it was CSGO Pro rounds. The way the XP gains were achieved is because the admins didn't set 10k health... one set 999mill health and I believe the other set 999k or 99k. I had never seen (or heard) of this being done, and honestly outside of testing I've never seen an admin set HP higher than 10k.

 

Basically, I made a lot of assumptions and instead of asking the players I got frustrated and rip'd their levels. Obviously I made the incorrect (and inconsistent) decision by taking some players levels for CSGO Pro rounds and not other players.

 

The players affected will be given their (approximate) levels back. I talked with a couple regulars and each of the players to get numbers that they (and I) feel comfortable with.

 

I'm sorry that I made a mistake, and next time before taking such drastic action I will try to be more careful and talk to more people.

I also apologize to the players that lost their levels (even if temporary) for any frustration/grief caused as a result.

 

I have set the limit for all admins (except War3 developers) to 1000 health so we shouldn't have to worry about this specific problem happening ever again. The only reason it is even as high as 1000 is because infected has 1000 health. Please use your admin abilities wisely!

 

On top of all of this, I have hidden the posts in the other thread. Someone pointed out to me, since it is essentially a rules thread, we do not need comments/memes etc. It will stay hidden and locked.

 

If you are out of the loop, see the below quotes from myself when the levels were removed:

 

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The following players have had their CSGO PRO levels reset to 0:
Waylon|EnVyUs (STEAM_1:1:104945986)
JahIsLove (STEAM_1:1:120066484)
◈TigreDeMarijuana︻デ┳╠(STEAM_1:0:42165127)
JBears (STEAM_1:0:77404249)
confag (STEAM_1:1:53494749)
Chronos (STEAM_1:0:137053184)
Savage Prince (STEAM_1:0:70538090)

 

The level of exploiting is insane. I added a player check to stop people from exploiting CSGO pro with just a couple players on, so they went out of their way to gather at least 5 or 6 players online, and they got about 30k-160k xp each in a single round. The only way this is possible is with a severe amount of collusion and gimmicks, done purely to gain xp that they have not "earned". Special shout out to master exploiter confag who managed to get nearly 160k xp in a single round. That equates to about 3,000 hits dealt/taken on CSGO pro.

If you exploit, I will find out, and I will murder your levels.
 
I have also added a new line under "Server Rules" of the War3 MOTD:

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No exploiting to gain an unfair cash, xp, or level advantage. This includes anything that can be done with admin powers. See this thread for more details. War3 staff are exempt from this, but for testing purposes only.

 
Keep in mind, this includes things like admins giving out HP and Negevs and people playing on CSGO Pro to gain additional xp. If it not explicitly approved by myself, skitt, or bulletford, admins can not and should not do anything in their power that helps players earn experience.
 
I have made updates to the original post including some of this information.

 

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On 9/11/2016 at 6:11 PM, Pryanya said:

New rules are fine by themselves and make sense. But seriously it is not the way it should be done.

 

As it seems right now you punished people for the rules that you came up with after the problem occurred.

Again, even if you made these rules earlier this month, no one had a clue about them. Only few people actually check forums. So in this case it would be nice to notify people first, even with a short automatic message on server chat saying “New rules: type !rules to see changes”… And only after that punish violators.   

Nothing about this is new. The new rule is about "CSGO Pro Rounds" more than anything. It also clarifies that there is really no scenario in which something like this is even remotely "okay". It's one of those "this shouldn't even have to be a rule" rules.

 

As it says at the top of the thread:

• Do not cheat in any way, hack, or exploit any feature on the servers.
• Unless you are a race tester, do not exploit races.

These rules are years old, and more than adequately cover the instance that occurred.

 

Getting 6 players to collude, not attempt the objective, and orchestrate some bullshit where they are shooting bizon's into an infected's toes through a wall, buying multiple guns (or ammo regen? not sure how they got 2k-3k bullets) to get over 100k xp in a single round is in NO RESPECTS something that someone could possibly believe is intended or "not an exploit". It's physically impossible for them to have gotten the XP they did without breaking more than 1 rule that is ages old.

 

If you are curious, many people got XP in "CSGO Pro Rounds" (which, this is the new rule) recently, and none of them had their XP touched... because it was vague and seems "admin approved" when it happens, so why would I punish the players.

 

Sorry if you still disagree but... that's how it goes down around here.

 

And as thorgot said, what you are saying is "let people get away with exploits, give em a slap on the wrist, then encourage them to look for the next exploit because they know nothing bad will happen"

 

 

Edited September 12, 2016 by Face

[ESDaman 73]

Good call man.

[Chronos 7]

Now Jah can continue a normal life. Thank you Face

[ATG_AGENT 290]

The entire idea of a "CSGO" pro round should be considered and exploit in of itself. (All that health, and weapons specifically for the one purpose of going around the normal leveling system and cheesing to get levels.  There is a difference between some type of fun round, all one race / knives / etc etc and then a round that circumvents systems in place, IE "CSGO rounds." This shouldn't even be allowed to begin with.  Now i am not saying a round with all only CSGO races shouldnt be allowed, but when you start cheesing/exploiting the system to get all that exp with extra health/weapons etc.

[The Impenetrable Wall 31]

3 hours ago, Chronos said:

Now Jah can continue a normal life. Thank you Face

jah can now csgo pro in peace knowing his levels are safe. Thank you face 

[Pryanya 5]

That's fair. Thank you Face

[K-Logic 19]

Thanks for being honest about a mistake.
Also, I mostly agree with Agent on what he said about "exploiting" csgo.
I can understand wanting to get those levels done and over with because it's long, but the intention is that it is a long grind and to not be cheesed.
Although, I think an admin approved csgo round here and there would be okay and even then when it is more populated, I s'pose.

Edited September 13, 2016 by K-Logic

[trigger.exe 110]

rip levels.

 

 

EDIT: Levels reset again when the map was changed. 

Edited September 13, 2016 by trigger.exe

[skitt 1307]

quit messin about

[Face 1910]

rip levels.

 

 

EDIT: Levels reset again when the map was changed. 

Db issues I imagine cause our site was down. Levels are fine, just wait for it to resolve

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[Leeroy 735]

all is well in war3 once again

[Rune 2783]

That's all and well, but have you reached out to princess regarding the issue? She rage quit yes, but with this thread it seems a bit more justified considering she was likely told CSGO Pro rounds were okay by regulars.

[Face 1910]

12 minutes ago, Rune said:

That's all and well, but have you reached out to princess regarding the issue? She rage quit yes, but with this thread it seems a bit more justified considering she was likely told CSGO Pro rounds were okay by regulars.

 

This thread isn't really related to why she lost SO.

She lost SO before we even took XP away from players, for another occasion. CSGO Pro rounds were involved, but it was maybe 1 of 5 factors in the decision (and the factor wasn't so much the fact that she did the CSGO Pro rounds so much as the discussion we had when I asked about it). One of the paidmins did CSGO Pro rounds recently (and was involved in the situation where players lost XP) and I did not remove his admin or limit his powers in any way. I've had no other problems with him so I have no reason to worry about it.

I don't feel like it's appropriate for me to write a paragraph explaining why I didn't like having her as an SO, especially because I have no hard feelings against her as a person and I'd feel rude doing so.

[skitt 1307]

can we stop saying CSGO Pro rounds like they are a thing? i really dont understand how admins can even think this is a legit way to gain experience. 

 

 

i am actually so triggered

[Face 1910]

can we stop saying CSGO Pro rounds like they are a thing? i really dont understand how admins can even think this is a legit way to gain experience. 

 

 

i am actually so triggered

Tru

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[ATG_AGENT 290]

2 hours ago, skitt said:

can we stop saying CSGO Pro rounds like they are a thing? i really dont understand how admins can even think this is a legit way to gain experience. 

 

 

i am actually so triggered

 

 

Same.